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  • From: Daniel Lundsgaard Skovenborg <waldeinburg AT yahoo.com>
  • To: AMK Judaica <amkjudaica AT hotmail.com>, Hebrew List <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question re accent signs
  • Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 01:46:26 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Ari,

What tool did you use for your search? And what is the "keter bar ilan"?


- Daniel Lundsgaard Skovenborg


----- Original Message -----
> From: AMK Judaica <amkjudaica AT hotmail.com>
> To: Hebrew List <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question re accent signs
>
>
> rivka,
>
> on the use (or non-use) of double accents for situations you describe, see
> the
> discussion by yeivin in his keter aram tzova book, 1st hebrew ed., pp.
> 212-13,
> 233-34. i would assume that rav breuer also discuss this practice (or
> non-practice) in tiberian mss.
>
> searching the keter bar ilan for instances of double telisha ketana i came
> up
> with gen 48:7, Deut 21:13, Ju 18:19, Jer 44:27, Ez 5:15, Es 6:13
>
> Ari Kinsberg
> MA, PharmD, RPh
> Brooklyn, New York
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>
>> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:15:01 -0700
>> From: waldeinburg AT yahoo.com
>> To: yodan AT yodanco.com
>> CC: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question re accent signs
>>
>> You're welcome! Yes; I used the Westminster Leningrad Codex
> (http://tanach.us), to be specific.
>>
>> - Daniel Lundsgaard Skovenborg
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Yodan <yodan AT yodanco.com>
>> > To: 'Daniel Lundsgaard Skovenborg'
> <waldeinburg AT yahoo.com>
>> > Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:04 PM
>> > Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] question re accent signs
>> >
>> >T hank you very much! Is this search in the Leningrad Codex?
>> >
>> > Rivka Sherman-Gold
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Daniel Lundsgaard Skovenborg [mailto:waldeinburg AT yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:59 AM
>> > To: yodan AT yodanco.com
>> > Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question re accent signs
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > @2: I did a search in the non-poetic books and found the following
> examples:
>> >
>> >
>> > 2 Chron 19:2 בֶן־חֲנָ֘נִי֮
>> > Deut 21:13 וְהֵסִ֩ירָה֩
>> > Esth 6:13 וַיֹּ֩אמְרוּ֩
>> > Gen 48:7 מֵ֩תָה֩
>> > Jer 11:10 שָׁ֩בוּ֩
>> > 2 Sam 3:8 אָנֹ֘כִי֮
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't have the tools to do the same for your first question
> automatically,
>> > though.
>> >
>> > - Daniel Lundsgaard Skovenborg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Yodan <yodan AT yodanco.com>
>> >> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> >> Cc:
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:30 PM
>> >> Subject: [b-hebrew] question re accent signs
>> >>
>> >> Shalom!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Questions about post-positive accent signs in Masoretic
> manuscripts:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> (1)
>> >>
>> >> When a Pashta is used in a Mil'ra word, there is no issue -
> the
>> > word's
>> >> stress is on the last syllable anyway. However, when a Pashta is
> used in a
>> >> Mil'el word, I've seen it appearing twice in the word -
> one Pashta
>> > above
>> >> the
>> >> stressed syllable and the other Pashta at its normal location (the
> upper
>> >> left "corner" of the word).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> QUESTION:
>> >>
>> >> Are there any Mil'el words that have a single Pashta at the
> end of the
>> > word
>> >> even though the stressed syllable is not the word's last
> syllable
>> > (based on
>> >> the word's structure).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> (2)
>> >>
>> >> I've seen Mil'el words with other post-positive accents
> (Telisha
>> > Ketana
>> >> or
>> >> Zarka). In the words I've seen, there is only one accent (at
> the end of
>> > the
>> >> word) and no accent on the syllable that is supposed to be
> stressed (based
>> >> on the word's structure).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> QUESTION:
>> >>
>> >> Are there Mil'el words that have two such signs per word (as
> is the
>> > case
>> >> with Pashta)?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you very much,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Rivka Sherman-Gold
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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