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[Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>]

Antonio,

I've never studied the structure of psalm 31.
In this respect I cannot help you.

Regards.

Pere Porta



2010/10/15 Antonio Garcia <garcia.secretariagh.antonio1 AT gmail.com>

>       Hi, Pere and Karl:
>
>       Do you know the structure of psalm 31?, could you include their
> structure in this post?.I couldn´t find this arxive on google. There are
> some problems about knowing structure of psalms, in internet.
>
>       I need the composition of this psalm to give you my opinion about
> different meanings of words, ketib, qere and inverse legendum.
>
>      Thanks in advance, Antonio Garcia Hurtado.
>
>
> 2010/10/15 Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>
>
> Karl,
>>
>> I think it is very, VERY, difficult to maintain that M'OD is (or can be) a
>> Pi'el Participle of the same root of the noun aleph-yod-daleth (distress).
>>
>> Patterns consisting of prefix M- and two root letters are always
>>
>> 1. Either Hiph'il Participles as in Ez 33:32; Jr 21:4; Pr 17:4...
>> 2. Or Hoph'al Participles as in Jb 11:15; Ml 1:11...
>> 3. Or nouns usually coming from bases ayin-ayin as 'magen' (shield) (Gn
>> 15:1); 'ma'oz', fortress, protection (not in the Bible). (Some others
>> derive
>> from bases pe-nun as 'matan' (gift) (Pr 21:14) or 'makhah' (wound) (Lv
>> 26:21) and a few others come from bases ayin-yod such as 'm'dan',
>> discussion
>> (cf Gn 25:2, where it is used as a proper name), from '(la)dyn', to
>> judge (Dn 10:1)
>>
>> Nothing of Pi'el Participle here.
>>
>> (How would you justify this possibility of a Pi'el Participle?)
>>
>> [These are just my 2 cents, as you like to say.]
>>
>> Hearty,
>>
>> Pere Porta
>> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/14 K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
>>
>> > Ps 31:12
>> >
>> >
>> > מכל צררי הייתי חרפה ולשכני מאד ופחד למידעי ראי בחוץ נדדו ממני
>> >
>> >
>> > Focussing on the two words, ולשכני מאד, I found myself following the
>> > context
>> > to read ו-ל-שכנ-י “and to my dweller” i.e. one who dwells with me,
>> > neighbor.
>> >
>> >
>> > But the second word, מאד, is a little bit more difficult. The normal
>> > reading
>> > is of “exceeding”, “very”, but in this context, is this not a piel
>> > participle from the same root as איד meaning “misfortune”? Doesn’t this
>> fit
>> > the context better than “exceedingly”?
>> >
>> >
>> > Making the whole verse read, “I have become a reproach beyond all my
>> foes,
>> > and to my neighbors misfortune, and dread to my acquaintances, those who
>> > see
>> > me outside fly from me.”
>> >
>> >
>> > Karl W. Randolph.
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Pere Porta
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