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- From: Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>
- To: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
- Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12
- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:01:46 +0200
Karl,
I think it is very, VERY, difficult to maintain that M'OD is (or can be) a
Pi'el Participle of the same root of the noun aleph-yod-daleth (distress).
Patterns consisting of prefix M- and two root letters are always
1. Either Hiph'il Participles as in Ez 33:32; Jr 21:4; Pr 17:4...
2. Or Hoph'al Participles as in Jb 11:15; Ml 1:11...
3. Or nouns usually coming from bases ayin-ayin as 'magen' (shield) (Gn
15:1); 'ma'oz', fortress, protection (not in the Bible). (Some others derive
from bases pe-nun as 'matan' (gift) (Pr 21:14) or 'makhah' (wound) (Lv
26:21) and a few others come from bases ayin-yod such as 'm'dan', discussion
(cf Gn 25:2, where it is used as a proper name), from '(la)dyn', to
judge (Dn 10:1)
Nothing of Pi'el Participle here.
(How would you justify this possibility of a Pi'el Participle?)
[These are just my 2 cents, as you like to say.]
Hearty,
Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
2010/10/14 K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
> Ps 31:12
>
>
> מכל צררי הייתי חרפה ולשכני מאד ופחד למידעי ראי בחוץ נדדו ממני
>
>
> Focussing on the two words, ולשכני מאד, I found myself following the
> context
> to read ו-ל-שכנ-י “and to my dweller” i.e. one who dwells with me,
> neighbor.
>
>
> But the second word, מאד, is a little bit more difficult. The normal
> reading
> is of “exceeding”, “very”, but in this context, is this not a piel
> participle from the same root as איד meaning “misfortune”? Doesn’t this fit
> the context better than “exceedingly”?
>
>
> Making the whole verse read, “I have become a reproach beyond all my foes,
> and to my neighbors misfortune, and dread to my acquaintances, those who
> see
> me outside fly from me.”
>
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
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[b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
K Randolph, 10/14/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Pere Porta, 10/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Antonio Garcia, 10/15/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12, Pere Porta, 10/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
K Randolph, 10/16/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Pere Porta, 10/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
K Randolph, 10/18/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Pere Porta, 10/19/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Antonio Garcia, 10/19/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12, Pere Porta, 10/19/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12, Arnaud Fournet, 10/19/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12, Pere Porta, 10/19/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Antonio Garcia, 10/19/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Pere Porta, 10/19/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
K Randolph, 10/18/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Pere Porta, 10/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Antonio Garcia, 10/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 31:12,
Pere Porta, 10/15/2010
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