Biblical Hebrew Forum

[K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>]

Pere:

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com> wrote:

> Karl,
>
> I think it is very, VERY, difficult to maintain that M'OD is (or can be) a
> Pi'el Participle of the same root of the noun aleph-yod-daleth (distress).
>

Are you basing this response on the Masoretic points? If so, you know that
the first thing I do with difficult verses is strip off the Masoretic points
because they are too often wrong in meaning, not counting that they don’t
reflect Biblical pronunciation.

I think the pointing is wrong, even for Masoretic pronunciation.

>
> Patterns consisting of prefix M- and two root letters are always
>
> 1. Either Hiph'il Participles as in Ez 33:32; Jr 21:4; Pr 17:4...
>

What makes you think they are all hiphils? Tradition? Masoretic points?


> 2. Or Hoph'al Participles as in Jb 11:15; Ml 1:11...
> 3. Or nouns usually coming from bases ayin-ayin as 'magen' (shield) (Gn
> 15:1); 'ma'oz', fortress, protection (not in the Bible). (Some others derive
> from bases pe-nun as 'matan' (gift) (Pr 21:14) or 'makhah' (wound) (Lv
> 26:21) and a few others come from bases ayin-yod such as 'm'dan', discussion
> (cf Gn 25:2, where it is used as a proper name), from '(la)dyn', to
> judge (Dn 10:1)
>
> Nothing of Pi'el Participle here.
>
> (How would you justify this possibility of a Pi'el Participle?)
>

First, the adjective/adverb “exceeding, very” does not fit this context.

If you disagree that this is a piel, according to your description above, it
could be a hiphil. But I find myself questioning if all those called hiphils
really are hiphils, not only here, but on other verbs as well.

>
> [These are just my 2 cents, as you like to say.]
>
> Hearty,
>
> Pere Porta
> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain)
>
>
>
Thanks for your 2¢. Now all you need to do is to get either Linux to emulate
a Macintosh keyboard, or a Macintosh, so you can write “2¢”. That’s why my
other computer uses Ubuntu Linux.

Karl W. Randolph.