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- From: Peter Kirk <peter AT qaya.org>
- To: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard3 AT earthlink.net>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17
- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:19:51 +0100
On 11/04/2007 20:08, Harold Holmyard wrote:
K Randolph wrote:Indeed, Harold, and this is the background to my suggestion that Isaiah 56:3-8 may simply be a restatement of this principle, that foreigners are welcome to participate in Israelite religion, that it was never intended to be a simply racial religion.
That non-Jews should be accepted if they accept God's covenant goes
back to the Torah itself.
HH: I realize this. The law says the following in Numbers 15:
...
Torah was always for all peoples. Only a tiny percentage follow it.
HH: Actually, the Mosaic law was given to a specific people, not all people. It was given to the descendants of Jacob (not, for example, to the descendants of Esau, who were excluded). But of course others could and did join them. You are right that foreigners could participate in the Israelite religion, but they had to act like Israelites if they were do so:
By the way, I am taking Isaiah 56 as the start of a new section, as many scholars do, and not so much linked to chapters 51-55. How far these are intended to be future is another issue. I don't see the distant future in chapter 55; verses 12-13 are what will happen (symbolically) in the immediate future to those who accept the invitation of verses 1-7. I don't see 56:1 "close at hand ... will soon be revealed" as temporal at all, there is no "soon" in the Hebrew but only QAROB which means "near", usually in space. Perhaps the "foreigners joined to the LORD" of 56:3 felt their position under threat, or felt unwelcome in the temple, but the prophet writes that they should not do, that their offerings are also acceptable. I don't say that this has no future relevance, but it has a future relevance because it is timelessly true, at least while the temple stands.
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Peter Kirk
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Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, Lisbeth S. Fried, 04/12/2007
- [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, michaelabernat9001, 04/12/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, Lisbeth S. Fried, 04/12/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, Vadim Cherny, 04/13/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, Isaac Fried, 04/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, Peter Kirk, 04/12/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, K Randolph, 04/11/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, Yitzhak Sapir, 04/12/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] verb forms - Isaiah 56:6-7 was dying you shall die, K Randolph, 04/14/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17, Harold Holmyard, 04/11/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17, Peter Kirk, 04/11/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17, Harold Holmyard, 04/11/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17, Peter Kirk, 04/11/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17, Harold Holmyard, 04/11/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17,
Harold Holmyard, 04/10/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17,
Peter Kirk, 04/11/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17, Harold Holmyard, 04/11/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17,
Peter Kirk, 04/11/2007
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