Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

Thank you!
You have just contradicted your entire argument.


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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] YHWH pronunciation
 
James wrote:-

>IAW is three vowels
>IAOUAI is six vowels
>
>while
>
>IABE is the only transliteration containing a consanant and is evidently
>the transliteration of a form in a perios and place where the waw was
>pronounced as a 'v'.

Two incidents have reminded me of how little we can trust speakers
of one language to hear another correctly. On this list Peter Kirk
claimed the American ``Mom'' and British ``Mum'' sound almost identical.
Having become aclimatised to the New Zealand accent to me these two
vowels tucked between the m-s don't sound even remotely similar.
The visiting American Professor teaching the biostatistics course
cannot tell the difference between an ``a'' and an ``e' as pronouned
by New Zealand students. To me, again, they don't sound even remotely
similar.

If we have that much trouble hearing vowels in the same language
but with different dialects how can we trust the Greeks to have
heard Hebrew correctly? Reconstructing the pronunciation of Hebrew
word based on a higly variable Greek written record seems to me
to be close to futile.


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I think when it says he found nothing, it is referring to the lack of idols, 
which a Roman would have certainly expected.

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Do we know there was a stone? I seem to recall that when 
Pompey violated the temple, he went into the Holy of Holies, 
and found nothing. Just an empty room. From that he, and many 
other Romans, concluded that ancient Jews were atheists.

Karl W. Randolph.

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From: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>

> 
> Ezra 1:7-11 gives a list of the temple treasures restored to the Judan 
> kingdom
> and as can be seen the Ark is not listed among them. As the most 
> important of all
> the Temple's treasures I would expect to see it as first on this 
> list if it was
> returned to the temple at that time.
> 
> Therefore, your question of what was in the Holy of Holies in Jesus 
> day is a most
> warranted question.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Alexander Oldernes
> Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 11:56 AM
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> Subject: [b-hebrew]  Stone slab replacing the Ark of the Covenant
> 
> Maybe your expertise can help me with this question...
> 
> I have read somewhere that when the curtain covering the entrance to the
> Most Holy was torn in two, in the first century CE, the Most Holy was
> exposed containing no Ark of the Covenant. In place of the Ark was a stone
> slab upon which the high priest sprinkled the blood on the Day of Atonement.
> 
> I know the last mention of the Ark of the Covenant is in 2. Chronicles 35:5,
> saying:
> He said to the Levites, who instructed all Israel and who had been
> consecrated to YHWH: "Put the sacred ark in the temple that Solomon son of
> David king of Israel built. It is not to be carried about on your
> shoulders."
> 
> This happened around 642 (?) BCE.
> 
> And now the question...
> Do we know that the Ark of the Covenant was replaced by a stone slab?
> 
> If so...
> Who writes about it?
> Do we know when this was done?
> Do we know what the stone slab looked like?
> 
> ----
> 
> Alexander Oldernes

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