Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

Do you have any resources I can refer to about the Chinese characters you 
mentioned?
I would really like to be able to study them in depth.

I don't think that the Japanese came from the lost tribes of Isreal. Legend 
says they 
came from a Chinese nautical mission where the group were sent out to find a 
paradise 
island the Chinese Emporer had heard about. They were not to come back 
unsuccessful 
under pain of death.

When I mentioned the similarities with Semitic roots I was more thinking of a 
family 
which migrated from the ANE to China and then a group that settles in Japan. 
That the Japanese and the Chinese are related is undoubted. 

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From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Karl Randolph
Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 9:16 PM
To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Could This Be Nimrod
 
Don't take too much importance on the shape of Chinese 
characters. The modern square characters resemble the 
original forms about as much as the modern square Hebrew 
letters resemble the forms found on the Gezar Calendar. 
However, in both cases, we have intermediate forms that 
show us how they changed.

Having said that, even in modern characters, the character 
for "create" has a stroke meaning life or living, attached 
to the form meaning dirt, over a mouth (shorthand for 
person) enclosed in walking, translation: living dirt is 
a walking (adult) person. The character for "ship" is an 
eight person vessel (Noah's ark had eight persons). The 
character for "devil" is a living thing in the cultivated 
garden moving around secretly. In fact, much of the first 
eleven chapters of Genesis can be found in the stories told 
by how the characters are constructed. These characters all 
predate Christian missionaries. If one looks at the earlier 
character forms, more parallels to Genesis can be 
recognized.

As for the Japanese, I have seen indications from other 
sources saying that the Japanese connection to the Middle 
East was from about the Roman period, not the "lost tribes". 
Jews that got to Japan could have been from either of the 
two major Jewish revolts, either as Roman slaves or 
refugees. There are Chinese with family traditions claiming 
Jewish ancestry from about the Roman period and later.

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
> 
> 
> The following link provides a history of the Chinese:
> 
> http://www.threekingdoms.com/history.htm#2_3_1
> 
> It states that:
> 
>   All accounts, however, agree that the basin of the Yellow River 
> was the cradle of the Chinese culture, and that their ancestors 
> were a nomadic people who, some five or six thousand years ago, 
> migrated from the north-western part of Asia and finally settled in 
> the northern-central part of what is now China.
> 
> END QUOTE
> 
> This could well have been a migrating family descendent of one of 
> Noah's three children.
> 
> It goes on to speak of a legend:
> 
> 2. Mythological Era
> (BC 5000-2200)
> 
> 2.1. Age of the Three Divine Rulers
> 
> Given the first rank among the chieftains is Fuxi, or "Conqueror of 
> Animals." He taught his subjects how to catch animals and fish with 
> nets and to rear domestic animals for food. He is also the 
> originator of the writing system which, with their improvements and 
> modifications of ages, has been handed down to us in the form of 
> the modern Chinese characters.
> 
> END QUOTE
> 
> Could this be Nimrod? Nimrod the great hunter in opposition to 
> Yahoweh? The strokes of Chinese writings seem
> to have a lot in common with the strokes we see in cuneiform 
> tablets and this could explain why so many Japanese words seem to 
> come from semitic roots.
> 
> 
> Any thoughts?

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Do we know there was a stone? I seem to recall that when 
Pompey violated the temple, he went into the Holy of Holies, 
and found nothing. Just an empty room. From that he, and many 
other Romans, concluded that ancient Jews were atheists.

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>

> 
> Ezra 1:7-11 gives a list of the temple treasures restored to the Judan 
> kingdom
> and as can be seen the Ark is not listed among them. As the most 
> important of all
> the Temple's treasures I would expect to see it as first on this 
> list if it was
> returned to the temple at that time.
> 
> Therefore, your question of what was in the Holy of Holies in Jesus 
> day is a most
> warranted question.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Alexander Oldernes
> Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 11:56 AM
> To: b-hebrew
> Subject: [b-hebrew]  Stone slab replacing the Ark of the Covenant
> 
> Maybe your expertise can help me with this question...
> 
> I have read somewhere that when the curtain covering the entrance to the
> Most Holy was torn in two, in the first century CE, the Most Holy was
> exposed containing no Ark of the Covenant. In place of the Ark was a stone
> slab upon which the high priest sprinkled the blood on the Day of Atonement.
> 
> I know the last mention of the Ark of the Covenant is in 2. Chronicles 35:5,
> saying:
> He said to the Levites, who instructed all Israel and who had been
> consecrated to YHWH: "Put the sacred ark in the temple that Solomon son of
> David king of Israel built. It is not to be carried about on your
> shoulders."
> 
> This happened around 642 (?) BCE.
> 
> And now the question...
> Do we know that the Ark of the Covenant was replaced by a stone slab?
> 
> If so...
> Who writes about it?
> Do we know when this was done?
> Do we know what the stone slab looked like?
> 
> ----
> 
> Alexander Oldernes

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