Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

     Yigal is abolutely right.
 
      I would however add: it is possible to consider YHWH a verb, without 
insisting on its correct pronounciation. The seemingly endless discussion 
here does not take into account that this name was pronounced differently in 
different periods. Also, the custom of not pronouncing the "explicit  name" 
may well have arisen late, for there are no reason to assume  such a custom 
from  pre-exilic  inscriptions or Mesha. 
 
      Uri

Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il> wrote:



..... If by "Jews" you mean people speaking from Jewish
tradition, then Jewish tradition does not have a vocalization of the
Tetragrammaton, and cosiders it forbidden to pronounce. And I know of no
Jewish source that understands the Tetragrammaton as anything but a proper
noun.

That there are individual Jews, including perhaps some on this list, who
have concluded that YHWH is a verb and that it may have been vocalized in
one way or another, is their privelage. None of them speak for Jewish
tradition.

Yigal


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On 03/08/2005 23:34, Gene Gardner wrote:

>The JPS TeNaKh has an interesting way of dealing with
>Exodus 3:14. In the actual translation, EHYEH ASHER
>EHYEH appears with a footnote (a) that states:
>
>Meaning of the Heb uncertain; variously translated:
“I
>Am That I Am”; “I Am Who I Am”; “I Will Be What I
Will
>Be”; etc.
>
>For the second EHYEH (Ehyeh sent me to you), the
>footnote (b) reads:
>
>Others “I Am” or “I Will Be”.
>

Peter responded:

Interesting. But this certainly puts paid to
Shoshanna's idea that "the 
entire Jewish tradition" holds to the future
interpretation.

 Thanks to you Peter, and the others on this forum for
your input. The reason why I enjoy this forum, is
because it spans Christianity, Judaism, agnostic,
scholarly, and common man/woman. The opinions and
presentations are always variable and interesting. I
do not have Everett Fox's translation of the Torah in
front of me, but I would be curious to see how he
handles Exodus 3:14. If anyone has it, I would
appreciate if you would post it.


                
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