Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Heard, Christopher" <Christopher.Heard AT pepperdine.edu>]

Harold,

For what it's worth, the NRSV does the same thing as the NET, taking BRZL
... WNX$T as a compound subject, separated by the object. I am not sure what
their reasoning is; I am not familiar with such a phenomenon. So, like you,
I initially see it as quite improbable, but with both the NET and NRSV doing
it, I wonder if there is something I don't know!

Chris

On 1/4/05 8:09 PM, "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard AT ont.com> wrote:

> Dear kgraham,
> 
>> Hey the NET makes some interesting observation, when it notes that
>> maybe bronze and iron are allegorical images pointing to unrepented
>> sinners.
>> 
>> They use Jer 6:28 where sinners are compared to bronze and iron.
>> 
>> "They are bronze and iron, they act corruptly."
>> 
>> So maybe in 15:12 bronze and iron are still representing unrepented 
>> sinners.
>> 
>> Can (those who are like) iron and bronze break iron from the north?
>> 
>> Or less wordy, can iron and bronze break iron from the north ?
> 
> HH: That can make a lot of sense on a purely logical level, but the
> word order seems against it. The words "iron from the north" are in
> between the words "iron" and "bronze" in Hebrew. That makes it look
> more like an apposition: "iron, iron from the north."
> 
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
> 
>> 
>> 
>>>  On 1/4/05 10:57 AM, "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard AT ont.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There are not two instances of $RYTYK in Jer 15:11 ...
>>> 
>>>  My error, as I have already noted.
>>> 
>>>  The e-text of BHS I use puts both the Kethiv-Qere in the text one in
>>>  brackets. This is very confusing to one who spends the majority of his 
>>> time
>>>  using a critical edition of the GNT where brackets are used for dubious
>>>  readings not alternative readings. The BHS apparatus cleared up the issue
>>>  once I figured it out.
>>> 
>>>> The LXX treatment
>>>> of 15:12 suggests a poor text and misinterpretation; I have no
>>>> confidence in following it.
>>> 
>>>  Who does? When you are "up against the wall" you look at ALL the 
>>> evidence.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  greetings,
>>>  Clay Bartholomew
>>> 
>>> 
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