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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: Vadim Cherny <vadim_lv AT center-tv.net>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo
- Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:34:10 +0000
On 20/12/2004 16:14, Vadim Cherny wrote:
Oh, come on! There is an obvious difference here: we have extensive Old English texts and so we know about semantic shifts between OE and modern English; but we don't have pre-biblical Hebrew texts and so we have no data on pre-biblical semantic shift in Hebrew. We do have data for post-biblical semantic shift, and that is significant, although constrained by the authoritative status of the Bible. And we can compare with other related languages e.g. Arabic (just as we can for example compare English with German) and so get a good idea of how much semantic shift there has been.HebrewIt only implies that etymological analysis "may" be flawed. In fact,
etymology, due to the root system, is much more stable that in GermanicI can find a number of examples of semantic shift between cognates
languages. ...
within the Semitic triliteral system. A simple one is "shalom" = "peace"
(Hebrew) and "salaam" = "greetings" (Arabic). Semantically linked, of
course, but the Arabic meaning is significantly weakened.
Why go for Arabic? You have the same greeting in Hebrew. And it is perfectly
linked with the original sense in its proper form sholom aleiha.
Sure, many words in Hebrew drifted from the root meaning, but by far lesser
percentage than in other languages. A quick glance into etymological
dictionary would demonstrate that, in fact, few English words retained even
their OE meaning. Hebrew is much more robust.
Anyway, very many English words retain their OE meaning, but there is a semantic shift in a sizeable minority. Although evidence is limited, we can expect to see a similar picture in Hebrew over the same time frame.
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Peter Kirk
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Peter Kirk, 12/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Vadim Cherny, 12/19/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Uri Hurwitz, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Uri Hurwitz, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/21/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Vadim Cherny, 12/19/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Peter Kirk, 12/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/21/2004
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