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- From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel AT juno.com>
- To: vadim_lv AT center-tv.net
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo
- Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:55:32 -0600
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:31:07 +0200 "Vadim Cherny"
<vadim_lv AT center-tv.net> writes:
> > > To find out the
> > >meaning, we need to establish the etymology. ...
> >
> > No, no, NO!!! Meaning is not established by etymology. Meaning is
> > established by usage in context.
>
> Everywhere but in Hebrew and to some extent in Chinese. Of course,
> modern
> languages, for one, deviated from etymological meaning, and for
> another,
> accumulated huge contexts. This does not work with Tanakh, where we
> have a
> handful of lamo, and where, as in isaiah 53:8, it is the context
> that
> depends on the meaning of lamo. Again, we have so little of the
> clear
> context that the relation is the opposite: etymological meaning of
> the word
> allows us to clarify the context. In this case, etymological meaning
> of lamo
> as lhemo shows that nega is to people, not to the character.
>
> > >
> > Agreed. Even if we agree that etymologically lamo and lmo form an
> > absolute/construct pair, that is a poor guide to meaning because
> the
> > meanings of the absolute and construct could have shifted apart.
> >
>
> btw, camoha besides cmo might help your smihut argument
>
> Vadim Cherny
>
> _______________________________________________
The use of etymology to determine the meaning of words also does not work
in Greek so it's not just in Hebrew and Chinese that this fails to work.
I suggest that you read James Barr _The Semanitcs of Biblical Language_.
george
gfsomsel
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo
, (continued)
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Uri Hurwitz, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Uri Hurwitz, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/21/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo,
Vadim Cherny, 12/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo, Peter Kirk, 12/21/2004
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