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  • From: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
  • To: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>, Vadim Cherny <vadim_lv AT center-tv.net>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8 lamo
  • Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:53:57 -0800 (PST)



Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:
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"...I can find a number of examples of semantic shift between cognates
within the Semitic triliteral system. A simple one is "shalom" = "peace"
(Hebrew) and "salaam" = "greetings" (Arabic). Semantically linked, of
course, but the Arabic meaning is significantly weakened"....

Two comments:

A. In Arabic too the root can clearly mean peace;( look up under "salaam",
but also "silm");

B. In both languages the original meaning was probably "completeleness,
fullness"; (again you'll find examples in both languages).

Uri

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The agent in Ex 15:5 MT shifts to thmt which raises a number of questions
about what is going on here. Note that the LXX apparently doesn't like this
and reduces the status of thmt to the dative ponto leaving the agent
unchanged from verse four. Perhaps the LXX is driven here by an
anti-mythological motivation?


Ex. 15:4 mrkbt pr(h wxylw yrh byM wmbxr $l$yw +b(w byM-swP
Ex. 15:5 thmt yksymw yrdw bmcwlt kmw-)bN

Ex. 15:4 armata Pharao kai ten dunamin autou erripsen eis thalassan
epilektous anabatas tristatas katepontisen en eruthra thalasse
Ex. 15:5 ponto ekalupsen autous katedusan eis buthon osei lithos

greetings,
Clay Bartholomew







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