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- From: Samuel Arnet <samuel.arnet AT theol.unibe.ch>
- To: Karl Randolph <kwrandolph AT email.com>, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Cc:
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8
- Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:42:11 +0100
Karl Randolph wrote:
The -MW suffix is used well over 170 times in Tanakh, less than a
third of those connected to the L- prefix. When we take into account
all the uses of the suffix, there are several times that it refers to
a singular object. That is more than the at least three times
(Genesis 9:26-27, Isaiah 44:15) that it is connected to the L- prefix
referring to a singular object. Examples include Genesis 19:15
referring to the dawn, Exodus 15:5 where it refers to "a stone",
shall I go on? You need to refer to all of these uses, not to
restrict yourself to those connected to the L- prefix.
I was referring here to the form *LF^MOW*; you, however (in the
Genesis and Exodus passages mentioned above) to L:MOW and K.:MOW, which
are separate lemmas.
The insistance that the -MW suffix has to have a plural meaning comes
from its use in Isaiah 53:8 because of the theological implications
of its use as a singular in that verse. Therein lies the impetus to
eisegete a plural meaning into verses that have a singular
construction.
As it now stands in L, the passage at the end of this verse is rather
difficult to translate. The Septuagint seems to have had a different
reading; based on this, BHS and others emendate to LAM.F^WET.
Ps. I noticed that the list you referrenced does not include all the
uses of LMW, where the L- prefix is used with the -MW suffix. Why
were those examples omitted?
We are talking about two historically different, but similar looking
pronominal suffixes:
1. -F^MOW or -"Y^MOW, used a bit more than 75 times, always unstressed;
only in poetic parts of the Hebrew Bible, and most often used
with LF^MOW; another example is )"YN"^MOW in Ps 59:14;
2. -OW or -W, used (of course) very often, always stressed.
The former is, *morphologically*, plural, the latter is singular.
Samuel
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Ben Crick, 12/02/2004
- [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Vadim Cherny, 12/09/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8,
Karl Randolph, 12/10/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Yigal Levin, 12/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8,
Samuel Arnet, 12/10/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Dave Washburn, 12/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8,
Peter Kirk, 12/10/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Dave Washburn, 12/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8,
Karl Randolph, 12/10/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Peter Kirk, 12/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8,
Samuel Arnet, 12/11/2004
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-mw suffix (was Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8),
Yitzhak Sapir, 12/11/2004
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Re: -mw suffix (was Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8),
Samuel Arnet, 12/12/2004
- Re: -mw suffix (was Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8), Yitzhak Sapir, 12/12/2004
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- Re: -mw suffix (was Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8), Peter Kirk, 12/13/2004
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Re: -mw suffix (was Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8),
Samuel Arnet, 12/12/2004
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-mw suffix (was Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8),
Yitzhak Sapir, 12/11/2004
- [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Vadim Cherny, 12/11/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Karl Randolph, 12/12/2004
- [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Vadim Cherny, 12/12/2004
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[b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8,
Karl Randolph, 12/13/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Yigal Levin, 12/14/2004
- [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53:8, Vadim Cherny, 12/15/2004
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