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- From: Banyai AT t-online.de (Michael Banyai)
- To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!
- Date: 13 Aug 2004 19:20 GMT
Curiously I was not able to recognise in the last couple of postings, how
they touched to the subject Amalek. However did Peter Kirk formulated an
interesting idea which deserves elaboration:
> I consider it highly probable that a traditional genealogy among the
> Edomites listed Esau as their original founder and Amalek as his
> grandson. I also consider it highly probable that such a genealogy is
> reasonably accurate (although perhaps giving a succession of leaders
> rather than a strict father-to-son listing), and that said Amalek became
> the leader of a group which became known as the Amalekites, even if he
> was not necessarily the biological ancestor of all of them.
I would like to point to the Phoenician cosmogony according to Sanchiunaton
as related by Filon of Byblos and Eusebius of Cesarea, mentioning a certain
pair of rival has brothers, one of whom being called Usoos (like Esau), a
hunter, who has invented fur clothes. This cosmogony seems to be confirmed as
genuine by its recognisable Ugarit parallels. There existed thus an
independent semitic tradition concerning Esau/Usoos, who was assimilated by
the bible writers with Edom.
The way how this story slipped into the Bible may have been the
identification of some Edom - a historical brother of a proto-Israelite king
(we may call him for conveniency Jacob) - with the eponymous ancestor of the
Edomites Esau.
There exists an Egyptian inscription concerning a certain Abdi-damu (or later
Hebrew: Obed-Edom) brother of the "prince" of Retenu, taking part into a
mining expedition into the Sinai, just on the wake of the massive (and
apparently friendly)immigration of Semites into the Delta under Amenemhat III
during the late 12-th dynasty.
Best regards,
Banyai Michael
Stuttgart
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[b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
wattswestmaas, 08/08/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!, Yigal Levin, 08/08/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!, Peter Kirk, 08/09/2004
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Karl Randolph, 08/10/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!, Yigal Levin, 08/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Karl Randolph, 08/12/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!, Yigal Levin, 08/12/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Karl Randolph, 08/12/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Yigal Levin, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Peter Kirk, 08/13/2004
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[b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Michael Banyai, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Yigal Levin, 08/14/2004
- [b-hebrew] Amalekites!, Michael Banyai, 08/15/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Yigal Levin, 08/14/2004
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[b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Michael Banyai, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Peter Kirk, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Yigal Levin, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
MarianneLuban, 08/12/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!, Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/15/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Shoshanna Walker, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Peter Kirk, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Yigal Levin, 08/13/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!, Peter Kirk, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Yigal Levin, 08/13/2004
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[b-hebrew] Torah,
Yigal Levin, 08/13/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Torah, Lisbeth S. Fried, 08/13/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Amalekites!,
Peter Kirk, 08/13/2004
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