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RE: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22

From: "Ken Penner" <pennerkm AT mcmaster.ca>
To: <david.kimbrough AT charter.net>, <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:03:20 -0400

Note that the question of the language of Jesus' cry of dereliction is
obscured by the many orthographic textual variants among the manuscripts.
Zahn's Introduction to the NT 15-16 has an informative discussion on these
variants (but thinks Hebrew was not spoken at that time). Particularly
interesting are Codex Bezae and the Syriac versions!

The Textual Commentary on the GNT (UBS) has a concise summary (but
overconfident about Hebrew and Aramaic pronunciation at that time) s.v. Mark
15:34, concluding, "in the text preferred by the Committee the entire saying
represents and Aramaic original, whereas the Matthean parallel is partly
Hebrew and partly Aramaic."

Epiphanius (in Panarion, 4th century) says about Mt 27:46 that Jesus spoke
the words HLI HLI in Hebrew but said what follows in Syriac: τὰ εἰς αὐτὸν
πεπροφητευμένα λέγων «ἠλί, ἠλί» ῾Εβραϊκῇ τῇ λέξει, ὡς ἦν προγεγραμμένον, καὶ
οὐκέτι ῾Εβραϊκῇ, ἀλλὰ Συριακῇ διαλέκτῳ τὸ συζυγοῦν ῥῆμα ἀποτελῶν ἔλεγε «λημᾶ
σαβαχθανί»

Ken Penner, M.C.S. (Biblical Languages, Greek Focus), M.A. (Hebrew Poetry)
Ph.D. (cand.), McMaster University
pennerkm AT mcmaster.ca
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> Mark 15:34: "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"
>
> Mat 27:46 "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"
>
> 22nd Psalm "Eliy, Eliy, lama azabetani" yle) yle) mh yntbz(
>
> The cry of Jesus on the cross as recorded by two of the
> Gospels does not match the Hebrew in the 22nd Psalm. I
> have been told that Mark 15:34 is actually Aramaic, as is
> the the second half of Mat 27:46. Is this correct?

[b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, david.kimbrough, 04/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Yigal Levin, 04/20/2004
  - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Peter Kirk, 04/20/2004
    - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Trevor Peterson, 04/20/2004
      - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Peter Kirk, 04/20/2004
      - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Dave Washburn, 04/20/2004
      - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Dora Smith, 04/20/2004
    - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Yigal Levin, 04/20/2004
      - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Dora Smith, 04/20/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Ken Penner, 04/20/2004
  - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Peter Kirk, 04/20/2004
    - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, CS Bartholomew, 04/20/2004
      - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, CS Bartholomew, 04/20/2004
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Peter Kirk, 04/20/2004
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, CS Bartholomew, 04/20/2004
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Jack Kilmon, 04/21/2004
        Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, jason, 04/21/2004
        RE: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Ken Penner, 04/21/2004
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- RE: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, Trevor Peterson, 04/20/2004
  - Re: [b-hebrew] Mark 15:34, Mat 27:46, & Psalm 22, CS Bartholomew, 04/20/2004