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- From: Peter Kirk <peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27
- Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 06:31:30 -0700
On 03/07/2003 03:33, Ben and Jo Crick wrote:
<snip>Interesting point at the end here. One can certainly imagine the animistically minded or "superstitious" Israelites expecting the wrath of Chemosh/Molech to come upon them at this point, falling into a panic because of the expectation, and then interpreting that panic as caused by that god's wrath. This, and the resultant defeat, would have weakened their faith in YHWH and encouraged them to believe in the efficacy of human sacrifice.
Kings Ahaz and Manasseh of Israel later turned themselves to the worship of
the "abomination of the Moabites", causing their sons to pass through the fire
(obtulit holocaustum) to Molech (2 Kings 16:3; 17:17). This caused YHWH to put
an end to the Ten Tribes (2 Kings 17:18). So did this sacrifice of the
heir-apparent win the spiritual battle, and turn the Ten Tribes of Israel to
the worship of Chemosh/Molech?
Ben (only asking questions)
But could the author of 2 Kings have shared this popular understanding of the defeat? Possibly. Or could the text reasonably be interpreted as "the Israelites imagined that wrath had come upon them"? Probably not.
I am now wondering if "wrath" or "anger" is actually a correct translation of qetseph in such a context. It certainly doesn't seem to fit well in Esther 1:18 and Ecc/Qoh 5:16 (English 5:17), the two cases noted in BDB as "of man (late)". Something more like "anxiety" or "fear" would fit better in those contexts as well as in 2Ki 3:27. This seems to fit the sense of the Syriac cognate. And from a quick look at the usage of the noun and the verb throughout the Hebrew Bible, it looks as if in the earlier books this was not so much the active wrath of YHWH as some kind of automatic result of breaches of the rules of holiness etc, and bringing disastrous consequences - see e.g. Lev 10:16, Num 17:11. It would probably be helpful to reexamine this concept in the light of studies of anthropology and comparative religion.
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Peter Kirk
peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, B. M. Rocine, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Yigal Levin, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, B. M. Rocine, 07/03/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, c stirling bartholomew, 07/03/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Dave Washburn, 07/02/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Peter Kirk, 07/03/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Peter Kirk, 07/03/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, B. M. Rocine, 07/03/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
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