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- From: ben.crick AT argonet.co.uk (Ben and Jo Crick)
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- Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27
- Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:15:22 +0100
On Wed 2 Jul 2003 (10:09:42 +0100), david_gray AT sil.org wrote:
> Thank you for your helpful answer. Do you think qetseph can ever mean
> 'fear' - as some have suggested that a fear fell upon Israel as a
> result of seeing this terrible human sacrifice.
The English Versions differ in their rendition of this verse, so you could
be right. The root QCP normally means to be angry with ('eL or `aL); and the
Aramaic cognate Q:CaP means "was angry"; so it seems to me that the anger of
the Moabites against (`aL) Israel was raised to fever pitch by their forced
sacrifice of their heir-apparent to Chemosh on the town wall in full view of
both armies.
JJ Bimson writes
"Joram and his allies defeated the Moabites, fulfilling Elisha's prophecy.
However, when the king of Moab sacrificed his firstborn son on the wall of
Kir
Hareseth (27) the Israelites withdrew and did not pursue their victory. The
exact reason for Israel's withdrawal is not clear from the text. Was there
fury against Israel among the Moabites because their king had been forced by
desperation to do such a dreadful thing? In other words, did the sacrifice
renew the Moabites' determination to fight? Or did the fury (or possibly
'strife') come 'upon Israel' (RSV)? That is, were the Israelite troops so
overwhelmed (with horror or superstitious dread) at the sight of a human
sacrifice that they renounced the whole venture? Either interpretation is
possible. The final outcome of the campaign is left in doubt; if Israel
withdrew, did Moab remain free? The Moabite Stone celebrates a successful
rebellion, but that does not settle the present issue as it could have been
inscribed before Joram's campaign took place." (New Bible Commentary, ad loc)
It is still not clear why Joram withdrew from Moab, "snatching defeat from
the jaws of victory" as some would say. Maybe the Israelites thought that
the death of the heir apparent was sufficient victory, and called it a day.
Jerome translates in the Vulgate:
27 arripiensque filium suum primogenitum qui regnaturus erat pro eo obtulit
holocaustum super murum et facta est indignatio magna in Israhel statimque
recesserunt ab eo et reversi sunt in terram suam.
(IV Regum 3:27 Biblia Sacra Vulgata)
so he thinks that the abhorrence of Israel at the human sacrifice perpetrated
in their full view caused the Israelites to withdraw in disgust.
Kings Ahaz and Manasseh of Israel later turned themselves to the worship of
the "abomination of the Moabites", causing their sons to pass through the
fire
(obtulit holocaustum) to Molech (2 Kings 16:3; 17:17). This caused YHWH to
put
an end to the Ten Tribes (2 Kings 17:18). So did this sacrifice of the
heir-apparent win the spiritual battle, and turn the Ten Tribes of Israel to
the worship of Chemosh/Molech?
Ben (only asking questions)
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Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27
, (continued)
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Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Jim West, 07/02/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Dave Washburn, 07/02/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Ben and Jo Crick, 07/03/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Peter Kirk, 07/03/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Peter Kirk, 07/03/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, B. M. Rocine, 07/03/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Peter Kirk, 07/03/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Karl Randolph, 07/03/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Karl Randolph, 07/03/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Liz Fried, 07/03/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Ben and Jo Crick, 07/05/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Karl Randolph, 07/05/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Ben and Jo Crick, 07/06/2003
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Re: RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Levin, Yigal Y, 07/06/2003
- RE: RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Liz Fried, 07/06/2003
- RE: RE: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27, Karl Randolph, 07/06/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] qetseph in 2Ki 3:27,
Jim West, 07/02/2003
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