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  • From: "Theresa Roth" <theresaroth AT sympatico.ca>
  • To: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT ozemail.com.au>, "'Biblical Hebrew'" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Unicode Hebrew fonts, was: Transliteration Schemes
  • Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:04:57 -0500

Yes, it appears. However, for my liking, the font is unattractive and too
small
in comparison to the English beside it. This has also proven to be a problem
when using Bibleworks and pasting something into Word. I always have the font
height in Hebrew set larger than in English. Is there an automatic way to
instigate this variance when both occur together?

Theresa Roth

Theresa Roth
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(519) 878-3632

theresaroth AT sympatico.ca <mailto:theresaroth AT sympatico.ca>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Peter Kirk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:42 AM
> To: 'Biblical Hebrew'
> Subject: [b-hebrew] Unicode Hebrew fonts, was: Transliteration Schemes
>
>
> Well, if there is a consensus apart from me not to use
> transliteration...
>
> A Hebrew Unicode font, Ezra SIL, is already available free from
> www.sil.org. (Do not confuse with the older SIL Ezra, which is not
> Unicode.) Ezra SIL works well at least with the following Microsoft
> software: Word 2000/2002 on Windows 95+; and most applications on
> Windows 2000 and XP. Keyboard utilities are provided as part of the
> package. Note that the instructions do not mention Windows 95/98/ME but
> the package should work with some minor limitations, at least with Word
> 2000/2002, if the optional Wordlink extension for Keyman is installed -
> a free download from www.tavultesoft.com.
>
> And actually the standard built-in Microsoft fonts, Times New Roman,
> Courier New etc, properly support Unicode Hebrew if unpointed, and with
> vowel points and dagesh except that holem is misplaced; no cantillation
> marks. But the letter shapes are not to everyone's taste.
>
> But the question still remains, when will it be possible to use such a
> font on this list? I suspect we will have to wait for adequate Unicode
> Hebrew support on Mac, Linux and other systems. The Mac may have its
> advantages for the deeper levels of language work but it has sure lost
> any advantage it once had for display of scripts. But perhaps we can try
> including a few Hebrew passages along with transliterations for those
> who can't read, that is, those whose mail programs can't read the Hebrew
> script. For example: the first word in the Hebrew Bible is בְּרֵאשִׁית
> B.:R")$IYT. That appears on my screen correctly (in Windows 2000),
> though in very ugly Courier New fixed space Hebrew. What does it look
> like to others, and in what systems?
>
> Peter Kirk
> peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
> http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Info
> > Sent: 21 January 2003 07:19
> > To: Ken Penner; 'Biblical Hebrew'
> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] RE: Transliteration Schemes
> >
> > This is to answer Ken Penner's rhetorical question as to "when can we
> > begin
> > to use Unicode on B-Hebrew?"
> > My answer is within a few month. Those who purchase now a new
> electronic
> > edition of "JPS Hebrew-English TANAKH, electronic edition" (available
> > exclusively from my www.eBookShuk.com ) will get this functionality as
> a
> > free upgrade.
> > Using Unicode fonts there was no way to typeset such complex book as
> this.
> > Now, we are in the process of re-mapping of our Hebrew Hadassah fonts
> for
> > Unicode to allow editable copy-and-paste functionality as well as
> search
> > in
> > B-Hebrew using free Adobe Acrobat (ME).
> > However, I have to say that JPS Hebrew-English TANAKH has in some ways
> > better functionality then Unicode--using which, by the way, one still
> > won't
> > be able to properly set fully contillated text in any know to Mr.
> Penner
> > word-processor--i.e. Graphics Select Tool, using which one can copy a
> > glyph
> > or a page of perfectly formatted B-Hebrew text into virtually any word
> > processor.
> > By the way, for such a wonderful bunch of people that subscribe to B-
> > Hebrew
> > list, I make give 20% off Scholar PDF edition of "JPS Hebrew-English
> > TANAKH", if a member of the list will make a purchase by the end of
> this
> > month; to get this discount, use code "JPS".
> >
> > Alexander Gendler
> > www.eBookShuk.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Penner" <pennerkm AT mcmaster.ca>
> > To: "'Biblical Hebrew'" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:39 PM
> > Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] RE: Transliteration Schemes
> >
> >
> > > I much prefer the square script over transliteration (it only took
> about
> > > an hour of concentrated effort to learn). But despite my
> supervisor's
> > > disapproval, I used transliteration when I wrote my M.A. (on Hebrew
> > > poetry), for typographic reasons. To justify this choice , I noted
> that
> > > four out of five scholars I examined used transliteration. Notable
> > > heavyweights included O'Connor (Hebrew Verse Structure) and Watson
> > > (Classical Hebrew Poetry). Puech's Croyance is another monument
> using
> > > transliteration.
> > >
> > > But now with the advent of excellent right-to-left functionality in
> a
> > > mainstream word processor, browser, and emailer, the typographic
> reason
> > > has been eliminated.
> > > My question now is, when can we begin to use Unicode on B-Hebrew?
> > >
> > > Ken Penner, McMaster/DSS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PennerThesis
> > >
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