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  • From: Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network <lakinroe@silcom.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] [OT] My Vision of the Future (now!)
  • Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 10:23:47 -0700

hi Scott
so nice to hear this -blessings wes
> On Aug 2, 2016, at 7:16 AM, scott@permaculture.org wrote:
>
> I think more education is called for but an education of the heart rather
> than the mind. More attention to being stll, and I am not referring to ADD
> but to a stillness that allows one to merge with ones environment and that
> includes fellow humans.
> Whenever I teach the Teacher Training course my focus is on teaching from
> the heart. If we are able to love our students we are better equipped to
> understand their need, empathize with that need and compassionately respond.
>
> In my earlier post I spoke to what I thought was the audience of this list
> serve. Vaidia took the conversation to the postgraduate level which
> thoughts I agree with but are we at that level as a group? I don't think
> so. I think that most of us are still in the forest or garden finding
> peace and tranquility in providing food or conviviality for our loved ones.
> We are mostly focused on "caring" in the most material way and that is
> what is the primary teaching of permaculture. To my mind the work on the
> material (visible) world should take second place to the work on the
> invisible.
>
> The invisible should begin with ethics because that should be the root of
> our economic, legal, and social systems. When I say that I mean ethics
> that have replaced "Care" with "Love". Not the love that "requires an
> other but the love that pours from ones inner being in response to the
> suffering of our total biosphere. Buddha taught compassion, Jesus Christ
> taught love I think they were talking about the same phenomena.
>
>> -------Original Message-------
>> From: Michael Elvin <marimike6@yahoo.com>
>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] [OT] My Vision of the Future (now!)
>> Sent: Aug 02 '16 07:23
>>
>> Vaidila, your comment is very provocative:
>> "Figure out a better solution," says the mind, forgetting
>> that there are no problems in the natural world and thereby making
>> conflict. Our culture--Me and You--are too materialistic because we give
>> too much of ourselves to thought--the most prevalent form dominating every
>> human being. The natural world doesn't think--it's in harmony with itself.
>> In this sense the natural world operates as a perfect invisible structure.
>>
>> This is an elegant way of putting it. The world is what it is... and
>> tomorrow it will be what it will be. But I think a problem arises from the
>> collective efforts of a great many people, who feel compelled to mess with
>> it. They perturb it from its natural course. Their aim is to control it--
>> to scrape it clean, grade it level and pave it over-- so it can be used.
>> So my question is-- what to do about them? Wouldn't education be a part of
>> our task, in addition to self-realization?
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 1:18 AM, Lawrence London
>> <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Vaidila Satvika <vaidila@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> P.S. The only sane vision of the future is now. Future only exists as a
>>> thought, based on the premise that tomorrow is better than today, leading
>>> to a perpetual craving that has led to the dysfunctional human state. And
>>> the mind cannot exit that problem, which is the most essential problem,
>>> because it itself is the barrier. And that realization is healing.
>>>
>>
>> That is really something to ponder. When I got to the bottom of your PS I
>> thought about the Wheel of Life and how what you described
>> was something in motion, turning and cycling bringing you back to the same
>> place each revolution to heal you. I have always wondered
>> if that was what the Tibetan prayer wheels were all about. A living
>> reminder of the cyclical nature of life, nothing changes, nothing stays the
>> same.
>> LL
>>
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