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[seth AT swoolley.homeip.net]

There is no documentation for how to do an integration, nor 
documentation on how to cherry-pick files, nor documentation on how to 
use whatever merge tool people are using.

I told the git supporters that they'd have to have that before I went 
back to committing anything.  No process should be done unless it's 
documented.  That we've gone seven months without anybody volunteering 
to write a script to handle the old perforce integrations we used to do 
is mind-blowing to me.

Remember when we had an ISO process that wasn't reproducible (at all)?

We protested that.  Now, I don't have time to get git working in my 
spare time, for integrations.  Every time I tried it, it broke, caused 
unexplicable errors, or our setup gave me errors (the idiotic timeout 
for the git daemon, which should be set to 24 hours, but is guaranteed 
to not work even over a cable modem for a full download).  Sometimes I 
was told to upgrade, but I did and that didn't fix all the problems.

I've been thoroughly unimpressed with git, and I'm not in any sense new 
to SCMs.  Never ever had an issue with subversion, never ever had an 
issue with perforce, but git just doesn't work, and to top it all off is 
full of corner syntaxes that are nowhere documented.

It's probably the worst engineered interface on the planet.  I cannot 
think of a worse one.

What's ten times worse is when people write docs that say "just run 
these commands" and never explain what they do.  They almost never work 
for me because I try to extend it one step above what the docs are for.

Now, if we had docs that actually explained our git process completely 
and the why and how it works underneath, I might be able to get some 
work done on it.  As of now, nothing.  Realize that git has 150 odd 
commands or so and I'm not reading all the documentation that the git 
devels have made just to do basic integration.  If nobody can boil it 
down without losing critical usability, it's just very poorly 
engineered.

I was promised this one thing, but it never materialized.

Seth

On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:12:45PM +0100, "Andra?? 'ruskie' Levstik" wrote:
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> I just did the following run on sorcery, cauldron and grimoire git clones:
> 
> cg log -c -D 2006-06-01 --summary -s | grep -E "^[A-Z]"
> 
> And ignoring root, the few people that are referenced in two or more logs
> and some other such issues the total number of active commiters seems to be:
> 
> 37
> 
> Which imho is a good thing but we are still missing some people.
> 
> The count if I am not mistaken on the developers page
> (http://www.sourcemage.org/developers) is 47.
> So where are the 10 missing developers?
> 
> NOTE: I'm doing this simply because of curiosity that's why I'm not putting
> the names here.
> 
> But basicaly 10 people haven't commited in the last 7 months. I've taken
> the date because that was about the time we switched to git more or less
> for a full test trial.
> 
> I doubt that the problem would be the lack of knowledge on how to use git
> after all we do seem to have quite decent documentation for both git and
> cogito.
> 
> I know atleast one has taken a sabatical and maybe more have so but it
> would be nice if we had a status page if they are active or not.
> 
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