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[Linda Shewan <linda_shewan@yahoo.com.au>]

If you don' believe America is a thug just take a look at the Confessions of 
an Economic Hit Man 

    On Wednesday, 3 August 2016, 0:16, "scott@permaculture.org" 
<scott@permaculture.org> wrote:
 

 I think more education is called for but an education of the heart rather 
than the mind.  More attention to being stll, and I am not referring to ADD 
but to a stillness that allows one to merge with ones environment and that 
includes fellow humans.
Whenever I teach the Teacher Training course my focus is on teaching from the 
heart.  If we are able to love our students we are better equipped to 
understand their need, empathize with that need and compassionately respond.

In my earlier post I spoke to what I thought was the audience of this list 
serve.  Vaidia took the conversation to the postgraduate level which thoughts 
I agree with but are we at that level as a group?  I don't think so.  I think 
that most of us are still in the forest or garden finding peace and 
tranquility in providing food or conviviality for our loved ones.  We are 
mostly focused on "caring" in the most material way and that is what is the 
primary teaching of permaculture.  To my mind the work on  the material 
(visible) world should take second place to the work on the invisible.  

The invisible should begin with ethics because that should be the root of our 
economic, legal, and social systems.  When I say that I mean ethics that have 
replaced "Care" with "Love".  Not the love that "requires an other but the 
love that pours from ones inner being in response to the suffering of our 
total biosphere.  Buddha taught compassion, Jesus Christ taught love I think 
they were talking about the same phenomena.

>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Michael Elvin <marimike6@yahoo.com>
>  To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>  Subject: Re: [permaculture] [OT] My Vision of the Future (now!)
>  Sent: Aug 02 '16 07:23
>  
>  Vaidila, your comment is very provocative:
>  "Figure out a better solution," says the mind, forgetting
>  that there are no problems in the natural world and thereby making
>  conflict. Our culture--Me and You--are too materialistic because we give
>  too much of ourselves to thought--the most prevalent form dominating every
>  human being. The natural world doesn't think--it's in harmony with itself.
>  In this sense the natural world operates as a perfect invisible structure.
>  
>  This is an elegant way of putting it. The world is what it is... and 
>tomorrow it will be what it will be. But I think a problem arises from the 
>collective efforts of a great many people, who feel compelled to mess with 
>it. They perturb it from its natural course. Their aim is to control it-- to 
>scrape it clean, grade it level and pave it over-- so it can be used.
>  So my question is-- what to do about them? Wouldn't education be a part of 
>our task, in addition to self-realization?
>  
>      On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 1:18 AM, Lawrence London 
><lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
>  On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Vaidila Satvika <vaidila@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  > P.S. The only sane vision of the future is now. Future only exists as a
>  > thought, based on the premise that tomorrow is better than today, leading
>  > to a perpetual craving that has led to the dysfunctional human state. And
>  > the mind cannot exit that problem, which is the most essential problem,
>  > because it itself is the barrier. And that realization is healing.
>  >
>  
>  That is really something to ponder. When I got to the bottom of your PS I
>  thought about the Wheel of Life and how what you described
>  was something in motion, turning and cycling bringing  you back to the same
>  place each revolution to heal you. I have always wondered
>  if that was what the Tibetan prayer wheels were all about. A living
>  reminder of the cyclical nature of life, nothing changes, nothing stays the
>  same.
>  LL
>  
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 5:58 PM, <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:

> Mr. London, you have put on your high heeled jingosim again.
>
 Interesting attempt to dehumanize me when you know what my name is.
Typical.

>   If you can call Iran and China "thugs" (it's beyond me how your left out
> Russia and the USA) you are taking a pro-American and antil-Iran and China
> position ipso facto.
>
I think you need glasses. I said but you ignored:
"America and Russia, thugs in China and Iran, others in the middle east and
the far east."
I.E. The THUGS referenced = America, Russia, China, Iran, others in the
Middle East and the far East/Pacific Rim, Asia.
Is that clear?

>   Every country with any industrial capacity at all has adopted the
> neoliberal view of politics and all of them act like thugs, including the
> USA, if it sells more bombs, bullets, and other war hardware it is "just"
> business.  No matter how much collateral damage (dead civilians) it
> causes.
>


> I am a little bewildered by your knee jerk patriotism at the slightest
> hint that the "good ol' USA" may be responsible for war all over the
> planet.  With
>
Read what I said instead of trying to make up what you think someone said.

hundreds of military bases to protect its investments.  NATO is nothing
> more than an excuse for having military bases surrounding Russia which is
> certainly justification for Russia to become uneasy.  Remember when Russia
> attempted to place missiles in Cuba?  We were readyto start WWIII.
>
>  Everyone knows this. We are now in the 21st century hoping for a great
future for everyone possible despite your crude attempts to thwart that.

The sound of your waving flag is drowning out the possibility of a sensible
> conversation.
>
Sorry no cigar.. You have zero clue about what I wrote much less what my
agenda is (permaculture).
You never replied to the hundreds of useful posts I have made over the
years in an attempt to initiate sensible conversation.
Why is that?

LL



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