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[Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network <lakinroe@silcom.com>]

hi Scott
  so nice to hear this -blessings wes 
> On Aug 2, 2016, at 7:16 AM, scott@permaculture.org wrote:
> 
> I think more education is called for but an education of the heart rather 
> than the mind.  More attention to being stll, and I am not referring to ADD 
> but to a stillness that allows one to merge with ones environment and that 
> includes fellow humans.
> Whenever I teach the Teacher Training course my focus is on teaching from 
> the heart.  If we are able to love our students we are better equipped to 
> understand their need, empathize with that need and compassionately respond.
> 
> In my earlier post I spoke to what I thought was the audience of this list 
> serve.  Vaidia took the conversation to the postgraduate level which 
> thoughts I agree with but are we at that level as a group?  I don't think 
> so.  I think that most of us are still in the forest or garden finding 
> peace and tranquility in providing food or conviviality for our loved ones. 
>  We are mostly focused on "caring" in the most material way and that is 
> what is the primary teaching of permaculture.  To my mind the work on  the 
> material (visible) world should take second place to the work on the 
> invisible.  
> 
> The invisible should begin with ethics because that should be the root of 
> our economic, legal, and social systems.  When I say that I mean ethics 
> that have replaced "Care" with "Love".  Not the love that "requires an 
> other but the love that pours from ones inner being in response to the 
> suffering of our total biosphere.  Buddha taught compassion, Jesus Christ 
> taught love I think they were talking about the same phenomena.
> 
>> -------Original Message-------
>> From: Michael Elvin <marimike6@yahoo.com>
>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] [OT] My Vision of the Future (now!)
>> Sent: Aug 02 '16 07:23
>> 
>> Vaidila, your comment is very provocative:
>> "Figure out a better solution," says the mind, forgetting
>> that there are no problems in the natural world and thereby making
>> conflict. Our culture--Me and You--are too materialistic because we give
>> too much of ourselves to thought--the most prevalent form dominating every
>> human being. The natural world doesn't think--it's in harmony with itself.
>> In this sense the natural world operates as a perfect invisible structure.
>> 
>> This is an elegant way of putting it. The world is what it is... and 
>> tomorrow it will be what it will be. But I think a problem arises from the 
>> collective efforts of a great many people, who feel compelled to mess with 
>> it. They perturb it from its natural course. Their aim is to control it-- 
>> to scrape it clean, grade it level and pave it over-- so it can be used.
>> So my question is-- what to do about them? Wouldn't education be a part of 
>> our task, in addition to self-realization?
>> 
>>     On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 1:18 AM, Lawrence London 
>> <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Vaidila Satvika <vaidila@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> P.S. The only sane vision of the future is now. Future only exists as a
>>> thought, based on the premise that tomorrow is better than today, leading
>>> to a perpetual craving that has led to the dysfunctional human state. And
>>> the mind cannot exit that problem, which is the most essential problem,
>>> because it itself is the barrier. And that realization is healing.
>>> 
>> 
>> That is really something to ponder. When I got to the bottom of your PS I
>> thought about the Wheel of Life and how what you described
>> was something in motion, turning and cycling bringing  you back to the same
>> place each revolution to heal you. I have always wondered
>> if that was what the Tibetan prayer wheels were all about. A living
>> reminder of the cyclical nature of life, nothing changes, nothing stays the
>> same.
>> LL
>> 
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