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  • From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] [OT] My Vision of the Future
  • Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:57:43 -0700

Unfortunately, in the real world, every vote from a liberal that is not for
Clinton helps Trump, just as Ralph Nader helped put Bush in the White House
in 2000. How sad that voting your conscience creates just the opposite.

Clinton is loathsome. But Trump terrifies me.

But really this is my excuse to share something on a much lighter note:
Lawrence, you will love this. I saw a bumper sticker that had an American
flag shaped like some tentacled beast, and it said

“Cthulhu in 2016. Why settle for the _lesser_ of two evils?”

Toby

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:22 PM, dhondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 30/07/16 00:45, Lawrence London wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 1:59 PM, dhondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I suppose you don't realize what you choose for Lawrence. I do not doubt
>>> she will be the next president of your country. In that case she may very
>>> well be the last president too.
>>
>> That's a hell of a note, predictng the demise of the U.S.A.
> Are you certain you will survive WW3 that Clinton has already promised to
> start without delay once she is president?
> And If it comes to that I fully expect to be molten ash here in Europe
> before the US goes up in flames.
>>
>> I know exactly what I am doing voting for her. Would anyne in their right
>> mond vote for Trump? Do we have much of a choice?
> Well, there is the Green Party and Jill Stein. Another woman and someone
> who even knows about permaculture and is willing to push that.
> And yes if the only choice were Clinton or Trump I would think Trump the
> safer choice for the planet.
> Not that what I or you wish makes any difference. Clinton was promised the
> presidency 8 years ago at the then Bilderberg conference. That is, the 200
> richest people in the world making a decision that Clinton now will be
> president. I fully expect she will be because of this and all the
> puppeteering in the mean time are just to keep the masses amused.
>> Should we not vote at all? If so I refer you to what Bertold Brecht said
>> about nonvoters. I don't care to drop out for that litany of
>> moral rightness reasons. I choose to participate, cast my vote and take my
>> chances. Did you vote yes on Brexit? Or not vote.
> I live in Ireland that has nothing to do with Brexit.
>> A Democratic win means support for my friends all over Europe and Eastern
>> Europe, Scandinavia, the Baltics,Ukraine, Turkey, Greece and Georgia.
>>
>> Do you support this group? You should.
>> Free Russia Foundation http://www.4freerussia.org/
>> putin.war http://www.4freerussia.org/putin.war/ “The task of the opposition
>> now is education and truth. And the truth is that Putin equals war and
>> crisis.” Boris Nemtsov The idea for this report belongs to Boris Nemtsov.
>>
>> Your dire, negative armageddon-like prediction and warning leaves me cold.
>> It smacks of political quackery.
>> Are you one of the cup half full people or cup half empty ones?
>>
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