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[Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>]

Maybe we in this list could informally report on our bee sightings this
year 2014, how many and where seen.
This way we can get an idea as to the extent of the problem. For me, 1/2014
to the present, about 100 bees, less than I saw last year.
What about the rest of you willing to participate in this informal survey?


For me it is almost (greedheads will do anything for money, fame or power)
complete disbelief that anyone would allow the depopulation of bees to such
an extent and over such a large area
when they are so critical to nature, the environment and local ecosystems
and pollination of such a diversity of crops. We're in that age, in those
times, where if you're weak you'll become benumbed, desensitized to the
daily reportage of a seemingly endless stream of events from the dark side.
Wanton, mindless use of devastating pesticides of all categories is
symptomatic of a very dark age indeed. There is no excuse for this.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net> wrote:

> Hi Permies :-),
>
> I must respectfully disagree with Alia, and I Thank You Lawrence for
> posting this article.
> Alia, please be aware that the statements that follow in this post are not
> directed at you personally. They are a product of my own long frustration
> with what some call "science" these days.
>
>
> My opinion:
>
> IMO it was a great article, and was chockfull of good leads which can now
> be tracked down by whomever doesn't mind the legwork. Plus it connected
> many dots quite well, I thought. It also contained much valuable correlated
> information which I have not seen anywhere else.
>
>
> IMHO the problem with the current-day worship of what some call 'science'
> is, no one will believe it if someone else hasn't done it/proven it/killed
> 50,000 rats with it/ already. This is not the way to break new ground,
> because in addition to its horrible and inexcusable inhumanity, to adopt
> such a philosophy guarantees that one cannot be first to find out anything.
>
>
>
> Many years ago, Science used to be synonymous with progress. Now IMO,
> 'science' has become more of a stultifying obstruction to progress.
>
> My point is, IMO the definition of "Science" has to change. What we have
> right now is "Science Without Conscience" and "Science As A Slave To Big
> Business".
>
> It is nowhere near the same.
>
> Namaste,
>
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] 37 Million Bees Found Dead In Ontario, Canada
> After Planting Large GMO Corn Field | Organic Health
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Alia Tsang <alia@dietrick.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Sorry, Lawrence, but I disagree that a "poor article is better than no
> > article." A poor article gives fodder to the opposing side to point at
> > and say "they don't even know science!!" (I am on an entomology
> > listserv that does exactly that.) I also don't trust a site that over
> > 50% of the screen real estate is advertisements.... a site like that
> > is more likely to make an article more alarmist/controversial/etc to
> > make it "click bait" so that they make more ad revenue. Hence the
> > article title drawing you in with "GMO CORN FIELD," when the real
> > issue here (that is potentially overshadowed and made easier to
> > dismiss by the mention of GMO's) is neonicotinoids.
> >
> > a
> >
>
> You are right if we make up for the lack of permaculture-related news in
> the mainstream
> by spending more time searching in-depth for what is important to us
> elsewhere online or in printed media.
> These days few email discussion forums or webforums or social media
> resources (except for Reddit and Ello) are going to provide much bounty.
>
>
> --
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