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[Alia Tsang <alia@dietrick.org>]

Yep, it's a great protein source. Just because the corn doesn't need
the bees doesn't mean the bees can't use the corn. It also puts out
sugary guttation droplets bees and other insects like to sip on.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Jacqueline Greenleaf
<jacque@book-woman.net> wrote:
> It’s true the world is a surprising place, but do bees collect corn pollen? 
> Corn is a wind-pollinated plant.
>
>
>
>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Eisenhauer <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The seed coating enters the plant systemically and is expressed in the 
>> pollen which bees collect to feed their brood.  The studies done shows 
>> bees within flight distance of GMO corn treated with the systemic 
>> pesticides as a seed coat experience increased percentages of hive deaths. 
>>  This Is old science well known by beekeepers like myself and thousands of 
>> others.  This sort of die off occurred in the Rhine valley of Germany and 
>> so they banned the pesticides after fining Bayer Crop Science millions and 
>> reimbursing beekeepers for their losses.  Really this is ignorance in 
>> action causing the inevitable result of failure to our living systems.
>> Steven Eisenhauer.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Lawrence London
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 7:28 PM
>> To: permaculture
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] 37 Million Bees Found Dead In Ontario, Canada 
>> After Planting Large GMO Corn Field | Organic Health
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Jacqueline Greenleaf 
>> <jacque@book-woman.net
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m puzzled.
>>>
>>> Let me say first that I hate GMOs and I am very concerned about
>>> honeybees in particular and pollinators in general. And I think
>>> neonics should be banned yesterday.
>>>
>>> But how could the planting of a wind-pollinated crop cause such
>>> massive bee die-off? Further, it is not clear in the article that the
>>> crop was even mature enough (what does a few weeks mean?) to even be 
>>> releasing pollen.
>>>
>>
>> Because the SEEDS are COATED with NEONICOTINOID pesticides so that the 
>> seed and its sproutling will survive attacks from predatory insects and 
>> diseases.
>> How the neonicotinoid coating spread into the environment so that bees can 
>> come in contact with them is the question; possibly airborne dust, rain 
>> washing it onto soil, into watercourses and impoundments and onto plants.
>>
>> Was the field sprayed with neonics?
>>
>>
>> Its on the seeds, i.e. seed coatings, the new thing (as in frankenthing).
>>
>>
>>> If so, the fact that the field was planted with GMOs has no bearing,
>>> unless neonics are only applied to GMO corn, which I do not believe to
>>> be the case. But the article does not say that any kind of pesticide
>>> was applied to this field.
>>>
>>> In short, this is a very poorly written article. Now the world is full
>>> of those, but I hate to see permies inflict on themselves a reputation
>>> of fuzzy thinking.
>>>
>>
>> Poor article but better than no article. Better to propagate badnews about 
>> neonicotinoids even if the site and its writers are less than dedicated 
>> (the way we would be).
>>
>>> Jacque
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 37 Million Bees Found Dead In Ontario, Canada After Planting Large
>>>> GMO
>>> Corn
>>>> Field
>>>> <
>>> http://organichealth.co/37-million-bees-found-dead-in-ontario-canada-a
>>> fter-planting-large-gmo-corn-field/
>>>> 37
>>>> Million Bees Found Dead In Ontario, Canada After Planting Large GMO
>>>> Corn  Field | Organic Health
>>>>
>>> http://organichealth.co/37-million-bees-found-dead-in-ontario-canada-a
>>> fter-planting-large-gmo-corn-field/
>>>>
>>>> Millions of bees dropped dead after GMO corn was planted few weeks
>>>> ago in Ontario, Canada. The local bee keeper, Dave Schuit who
>>>> produces honey in Elmwood lost about 37 million bees which are about 600 
>>>> hives.
>>>>
>>>> “Once the corn started to get planted our bees died by the millions,”
>>>> Schuit said. While many bee keepers blame neonicotinoids, or “neonics.”
>>> for
>>>> colony collapse of bees and many countries in EU have banned
>>> neonicotinoid
>>>> class of pesticides, the US Department of Agriculture fails to ban
>>>> insecticides known as neonicotinoids, manufactured by Bayer
>>>> CropScience
>>> Inc.
>>>>
>>>> Two of Bayer’s best-selling pesticides, Imidacloprid and
>>>> Clothianidin,
>>> are
>>>> known to get into pollen and nectar, and can damage beneficial
>>>> insects
>>> such
>>>> as bees. The marketing of these drugs also coincided with the
>>>> occurrence
>>> of
>>>> large-scale bee deaths in many European countries and the United States.
>>>>
>>>> Nathan Carey another local farmer says that this spring he noticed
>>>> that there were not enough bees on his farm and he believes that
>>>> there is a strong correlation between the disappearance of bees and 
>>>> insecticide use.
>>>>
>>>> In the past, many scientists have struggled to find the exact cause
>>>> of
>>> the
>>>> massive die-offs, a phenomenon they refer to as “colony collapse
>>> disorder”
>>>> (CCD). In the United States, for seven consecutive years, honeybees
>>>> are
>>> in
>>>> terminal decline.
>>>>
>>>> US scientists have found 121 different pesticides in samples of
>>>> bees, wax and pollen, lending credence to the notion that pesticides
>>>> are a key problem. “We believe that some subtle interactions between
>>>> nutrition, pesticide exposure and other stressors are converging to kill 
>>>> colonies,”
>>>> said Jeffery Pettis, of the ARS’s bee research laboratory.
>>>>
>>>> The collapse in the global honeybee population is a major threat to
>>> crops.
>>>> It is estimated that a third of everything we eat depends upon
>>>> honeybee pollination, which means that bees contribute over 30
>>>> billion to the
>>> global
>>>> economy.
>>>>
>>>> A new study published in the Journal Proceedings of the National
>>>> Academy
>>> of
>>>> Sciences revealed that neonicotinoid pesticides kill honeybees by
>>> damaging
>>>> their immune system and making them unable to fight diseases and
>>> bacteria.
>>>>
>>>> After reporting large losses of bees after exposure to Imidacloprid,
>>> banned
>>>> it for use on corn and sunflowers, despite protests by Bayer. In
>>>> another smart move, France also rejected Bayer’s application for
>>>> Clothianidin,
>>> and
>>>> other countries, such as Italy, have banned certain neonicotinoids
>>>> as
>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> After record-breaking honeybee deaths in the UK, the European Union
>>>> has banned multiple pesticides, including neonicotinoid pesticides.
>>>>
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