permaculture

[Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>]

I forgot about this one which is also a list topper with many functions

Moringa oleifera and other Moringa sp.  not legumes but fast carbon
pathways and high nutrition value
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Moringa_oleifera.html
http://moringafarms.com/
http://www.mobot.org/gradstudents/olson/moringahome.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa_oleifera
http://www.winrock.org/fnrm/factnet/factpub/FACTSH/moringa.htm
http://agroforestry.net/scps/Moringa_specialty_crop.pdf
http://www.worldagroforestrycentre.org/sea/products/afdbases/af/asp/SpeciesInfo.asp?SpID=1169

an permaculture article on ecologcal applications of moringa and mulberry
with sites in florida mentioned
http://www.perennialsolutions.org/cuba-mass-planting-moringa-and-mulberry

cheers,
Neil

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Neil Bertrando 
<neilbertrando@gmail.com>wrote:

> If I were to put in sub-tropical to tropical long term canopy tree
> legumes, these would be at the top of my list:
>
> carob, tamarind, ice cream bean, tipuana tipu.  mainly because I like to
> eat the first three and would like to get experience with the fourth after
> hearing about it.
>
> I'm surprised it gets so cold in Florida, what is your location?  my
> understanding was that zone 9 was down to 20 F?  microclimate
> possibilities?  perhaps you can get some good varieties from NAFEX
> http://www.nafex.org/ or the rare fruit tree associations.
> http://www.crfg.org/ florida rare fruit http://www.rarefruit.org/
>
>
> I love the work Julia Morton did in Fruits of the Warm Climates.  I'm
> guessing there is lots more out there now, but haven't been researching
> tropics in a while.
> Carob, Ceratonia siliqua:
> http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/carob.html
>
> tamarind, tamarindus indica
> http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/tamarind.html
>
> Ice Cream Bean, Inga edulis
> http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/inga_edulis.html
>
> tipuana tipu
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~camartin/plants/Plant%20html%20files/tipuanatipu.html
>
> Another FAO doc.
> http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/T0632E/T0632E02.htm
>
> suggests: prosopis sp as well.
>
> Black Locust??? native to Southeast N. America.
>
> casaurina pines? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casuarina  Awesome
> non-rotting building material too.
>
> more for understory? baptisia, lespedeza, ceanothus, tephrosia, senna,
> desmodium, perennial peanut, crotolaria, guessing there's many more
>
> have used most of the species noted in the FAO doc you shared and liked
> them in Hawai'i.  never had an issue with spreading.  if you like, cut them
> before seed formation.
>
> have used cassia trees not sure on the species, birds absolutely loved
> them so even without N-fixing nodules, the import to the system was
> substantial.
>
> other links to check out with some species lists
>
> http://science.jrank.org/pages/3895/Legumes-Native-legumes-North-America.html
> http://www.winrock.org/fnrm/factnet/factpub/factsh.htm
>
> i've some palownia planted in zone 5-6. no experience with zone 4.  there
> i would definitely use Robinia, Elaeagnus, Gleditsia, and consider Sophora,
> alnus, gymnocladus, maackia, and cladrastis  as overstory, many mid-
> understory, shepherdia, caragana, elaeagnus, baptisia, Hippophae, cercis,
> alnus, maybe amorpha canescens, all dependent on water availability and
> soil type etc....
> I might even go with rhamnus although I know people are sensitive about
> buckthorn in the midwest.
>
> perhaps a useful source is oikos tree crops
> http://www.oikostreecrops.com/store/home.asp
> and lawyer seed and plant nursery http://www.lawyernursery.com/  worth
> getting the seed list/catalog many more species than bare roots
>
> best of luck
> hope this helps,
> Neil
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM, venaurafarm 
> <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/2012 8:38 PM, John D'hondt wrote:
>>
>> > Another new bad thing is an explosion of a new species, the New Zealand
>> > flatworm, (Arthurdendyus triangulatus) that is known to reduce earthworm
>> > populations below detectable levels. The situation is dire. We even
>> noticed
>> > 36 immature worms eating a big slug (Arion sp.) and one half grown worm
>> > holding a life Tipula fly (big!) on the ground and preventing this from
>> > talking off.
>> > Interesting times.
>>
>> I would say that you have the making of a great new nature video, an
>> action packed thriller...to say the least.
>>
>> ......birds eating most of the worms in raised beds causing them to sink
>> and become more compacted.....hawks eating the birds doing this
>> then flatworms moving in and decimating earthworm populations all over
>> again....   what a scenario...document this in a video and sell the dvd
>> for $25 each - upload trailer to youtube, let it go viral, make lots of
>> money, buy villa on the cote d'azur, retire kick back and relax eat
>> truffle quiche .............
>>
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