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[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

Austin and the eastern slope of the Rockies both have strong permie networks 
that might help organize the event. Detroit might - not sure. There is also 
Kansas...

I might be able to get permission to do it at Pine Ridge reservation, if 
anybody is interested. That is almost next to the center of the universe at 
Blatt, ND. Conditions would be very primitive there, but they would be very 
interested in building structure that would accomodate more permies coming 
there. There are three sites at least, that would be open to that I believe. 
It could be combined with a service work project - they could use about 2000 
windbreak and edible trees and bushes planted, and a number of shelters 
built, water catchment, etc. That is one way for me to get volunteers there, 
since last year only three showed up after 20 confirmed. And though I am a 
strong supporter of urban permaculture, I would love to see rez'es all going 
off the grid and becoming self sufficient. 

The one thing is - everything on the rez is WAY far apart and would entail 
lots of driving if we go back and forth to different sites (which I would 
strongly recommend so as not to favor only one tribe). A bus would definitely 
be in order, or a fleet of them. Or some big flat bed trucks we can hang out 
on. One place I work with has a veggie oil biodiesel operation which probably 
needs some repair to get up and running but does work...

Koreen


________________________________
 From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf- meet in the middle?
 
Meet in the Middle ?...hey I reckon Detroit with its revolution of urban
farming would be a great place to meet....probably on the bus route too
Bob....Steve Hart

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:01 AM, loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>wrote:

>
> I think we need to meet face to face.  Online just doesn't cut it.  How
> you get there is your karma.  If you choose to fly or drive hopefully you
> can mitigate that with some good plantings or pasture management.
>
> The point is somebody (group) needs to step up and organize this.  I am
> willing to be involved and have expressed that.  We just need a site
> somewhere in the middle.  Maybe in the midwest?  Anyone?  Cuz we can't make
> this an east coast west coast thing.
>
> Loren Luyendyk
> 805-452-8249
> Permaculture Design and Education
> ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
> www.sborganics.com
> www.globalpermaculture.com
> www.surferswithoutborders.com
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:53:18 -0700
> > From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> >
> > Good point Bob, let's do it! I'm game. It certainly is something that
> needs to be accomplished...
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> >
> > Why would we need to travel to do this?   If this is what we want to
> > achieve, why couldn't we do this, well, right here and right now for
> > example?
> >
> > It could be an exercise in cooperative permaculture design --
> > observation, evaluation, design work, implementation.
> >
> > I've always thought that some kind of a large project, operated in
> > cyberspace, involving permaculture people from "all over the map" would
> > not only be fun, we would all learn a lot from it and it might even do
> > some good.
> >
> > Bob Waldrop, OKC
> >
> > On 7/16/2012 3:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> > > I would say it would be worth the travel miles if we actually walk
> away with a plan to expand permaculture in multiple areas much more quickly
> than it is happening and actually execute it. Then it would be worth it.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >   From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
> > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> > >
> > > Why do we think that this event would be worth the damage the travel
> and
> > > etc associated with it would cause the earth's ecologies? Haven't we
> > > done enough harm to all with our sense of entitlement to all the travel
> > > we can manage to pay for with dollars?  Especially those of us who are
> > > privileged First World people?
> > >
> > > The Union of Concerned Scientists recently released a book on global
> > > warming and transportation/travel is one of the three major
> contributors
> > > to the emissions driving climate change.  They say one imperative of
> the
> > > future is that we need to drive less and travel less.  If we do travel,
> > > the kindest-to-the-earth method of travel is to take the bus.
> > >
> > > So in the spirit of harm reduction, at minimum if this event occurs it
> > > should be in a city easily accessible by bus travel, and travel by air
> > > and automobile should be actively discouraged by the organizers.  If it
> > > becomes a regular thing, it should not be an annual event, but instead
> > > should be at most once every four years.
> > >
> > > Bob Waldrop, OKC
> > > http://www.bettertimesinfo.org/permaculture350.pdf -- Hacking
> > > permaculture in 350 words
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/16/2012 6:41 AM, venaurafarm wrote:
> > >> Steve Hart
> > >> Ecology Architect
> > >> skype: stevenlawrencehart
> > >>
> > >> Nth American Permaculture Conference ?
> > >>
> > >> Hey guys...not so long ago there was discussion on a likely Conference
> > >> for all Nth America...whats happened to that energy ? has anyone
> picked
> > >> up the challenge?, taken an initiative and moved it forward ? Skeeta,
> > >> are you still in there ? I reckon its time to take the bull by the
> horns
> > >> and jump in the deep end.
> > >>
> > >> At the International Conference in Jordan, IPC10, Scott Pitman and I
> > >> discussed future international structures in a workshop. There has
> been
> > >> waned discussion since but with Cuba's IPC11 just around the corner
> the
> > >> agenda will gain more development. One thread is to realise the
> > >> continental regions of the world. Then to consider each region having
> > >> conferences. Europe is already well advanced on this with their 12th
> > >> Conference happening in Kassel this year 1-5th August. Central America
> > >> has had a few. No other region to my knowledge has gone there yet.
> > >>
> > >> Something worthy of development eh what ?
> > >>
> > >> Steve Hart
> > >>
> > >>
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And how about us, as a group, doing a mass tree planting at the site we land 
at to mitigate fossil fuel use? And or set up some biodiesel or backyard 
ethanol systems where we go? For instance, at Pine Ridge, people have to 
drive 50-100 miles just to get fresh food! It is ridiculous. This is why 1/2 
the people on the rez have diabetes and even more pre-diabetic; they eat lots 
of white flour.

I agree, there is nothing that replaces face to face. There is a great deal 
of value in what we, together, can bring to the table. I would strongly 
suggest that wherever we do it, we have at least a couple of days set aside 
for work/project days at the site and some could stay longer if they want to. 
I think there is a lot of value in us creating systems together (and we could 
do a number of systems, not just one, that can be tied together energetically 
through community or ?), bringing our minds together to create something 
larger than any of us individually.  

And no reason we also cannot start working out some organizational points now 
too, before the event, or at least discuss them. 


________________________________
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To: Permaculture Listserve <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf- meet in the middle?
 

I think we need to meet face to face.  Online just doesn't cut it.  How you 
get there is your karma.  If you choose to fly or drive hopefully you can 
mitigate that with some good plantings or pasture management. 

The point is somebody (group) needs to step up and organize this.  I am 
willing to be involved and have expressed that.  We just need a site 
somewhere in the middle.  Maybe in the midwest?  Anyone?  Cuz we can't make 
this an east coast west coast thing.

Loren Luyendyk
805-452-8249
Permaculture Design and Education
ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
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> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:53:18 -0700
> From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> 
> Good point Bob, let's do it! I'm game. It certainly is something that needs 
> to be accomplished...
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org 
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
>  
> Why would we need to travel to do this?   If this is what we want to 
> achieve, why couldn't we do this, well, right here and right now for 
> example?
> 
> It could be an exercise in cooperative permaculture design -- 
> observation, evaluation, design work, implementation.
> 
> I've always thought that some kind of a large project, operated in 
> cyberspace, involving permaculture people from "all over the map" would 
> not only be fun, we would all learn a lot from it and it might even do 
> some good.
> 
> Bob Waldrop, OKC
> 
> On 7/16/2012 3:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> > I would say it would be worth the travel miles if we actually walk away 
> > with a plan to expand permaculture in multiple areas much more quickly 
> > than it is happening and actually execute it. Then it would be worth it.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >   From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> >  
> > Why do we think that this event would be worth the damage the travel and
> > etc associated with it would cause the earth's ecologies? Haven't we
> > done enough harm to all with our sense of entitlement to all the travel
> > we can manage to pay for with dollars?  Especially those of us who are
> > privileged First World people?
> >
> > The Union of Concerned Scientists recently released a book on global
> > warming and transportation/travel is one of the three major contributors
> > to the emissions driving climate change.  They say one imperative of the
> > future is that we need to drive less and travel less.  If we do travel,
> > the kindest-to-the-earth method of travel is to take the bus.
> >
> > So in the spirit of harm reduction, at minimum if this event occurs it
> > should be in a city easily accessible by bus travel, and travel by air
> > and automobile should be actively discouraged by the organizers.  If it
> > becomes a regular thing, it should not be an annual event, but instead
> > should be at most once every four years.
> >
> > Bob Waldrop, OKC
> > http://www.bettertimesinfo.org/permaculture350.pdf -- Hacking
> > permaculture in 350 words
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/16/2012 6:41 AM, venaurafarm wrote:
> >> Steve Hart
> >> Ecology Architect
> >> skype: stevenlawrencehart
> >>
> >> Nth American Permaculture Conference ?
> >>
> >> Hey guys...not so long ago there was discussion on a likely Conference
> >> for all Nth America...whats happened to that energy ? has anyone picked
> >> up the challenge?, taken an initiative and moved it forward ? Skeeta,
> >> are you still in there ? I reckon its time to take the bull by the horns
> >> and jump in the deep end.
> >>
> >> At the International Conference in Jordan, IPC10, Scott Pitman and I
> >> discussed future international structures in a workshop. There has been
> >> waned discussion since but with Cuba's IPC11 just around the corner the
> >> agenda will gain more development. One thread is to realise the
> >> continental regions of the world. Then to consider each region having
> >> conferences. Europe is already well advanced on this with their 12th
> >> Conference happening in Kassel this year 1-5th August. Central America
> >> has had a few. No other region to my knowledge has gone there yet.
> >>
> >> Something worthy of development eh what ?
> >>
> >> Steve Hart
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>
> I, personally, like the idea of Pine Ridge--been feeling called to it.
> But, depending upon the size and needs of the group, I know of other places
> here in the Ohio Valley (Indianapolis, Louisville, and Cincinnati are all
> fairly easy to reach). I would be willing to be on a planning committee.
> Whom else?


Walk in balance,
Rhonda Baird

>




> ________________________________
>  From: loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>
> To: Permaculture Listserve <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf- meet in the middle?
>
>
> I think we need to meet face to face.  Online just doesn't cut it.  How
> you get there is your karma.  If you choose to fly or drive hopefully you
> can mitigate that with some good plantings or pasture management.
>
> The point is somebody (group) needs to step up and organize this.  I am
> willing to be involved and have expressed that.  We just need a site
> somewhere in the middle.  Maybe in the midwest?  Anyone?  Cuz we can't make
> this an east coast west coast thing.
>
> Loren Luyendyk
> 805-452-8249
> Permaculture Design and Education
> ISA Certified Arborist #WE-7805A
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>
>
> > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:53:18 -0700
> > From: cory8570@yahoo.com
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> >
> > Good point Bob, let's do it! I'm game. It certainly is something that
> needs to be accomplished...
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> >
> > Why would we need to travel to do this?   If this is what we want to
> > achieve, why couldn't we do this, well, right here and right now for
> > example?
> >
> > It could be an exercise in cooperative permaculture design --
> > observation, evaluation, design work, implementation.
> >
> > I've always thought that some kind of a large project, operated in
> > cyberspace, involving permaculture people from "all over the map" would
> > not only be fun, we would all learn a lot from it and it might even do
> > some good.
> >
> > Bob Waldrop, OKC
> >
> > On 7/16/2012 3:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> > > I would say it would be worth the travel miles if we actually walk
> away with a plan to expand permaculture in multiple areas much more quickly
> than it is happening and actually execute it. Then it would be worth it.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >   From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
> > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
> > >
> > > Why do we think that this event would be worth the damage the travel
> and
> > > etc associated with it would cause the earth's ecologies? Haven't we
> > > done enough harm to all with our sense of entitlement to all the travel
> > > we can manage to pay for with dollars?  Especially those of us who are
> > > privileged First World people?
> > >
> > > The Union of Concerned Scientists recently released a book on global
> > > warming and transportation/travel is one of the three major
> contributors
> > > to the emissions driving climate change.  They say one imperative of
> the
> > > future is that we need to drive less and travel less.  If we do travel,
> > > the kindest-to-the-earth method of travel is to take the bus.
> > >
> > > So in the spirit of harm reduction, at minimum if this event occurs it
> > > should be in a city easily accessible by bus travel, and travel by air
> > > and automobile should be actively discouraged by the organizers.  If it
> > > becomes a regular thing, it should not be an annual event, but instead
> > > should be at most once every four years.
> > >
> > > Bob Waldrop, OKC
> > > http://www.bettertimesinfo.org/permaculture350.pdf -- Hacking
> > > permaculture in 350 words
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/16/2012 6:41 AM, venaurafarm wrote:
> > >> Steve Hart
> > >> Ecology Architect
> > >> skype: stevenlawrencehart
> > >>
> > >> Nth American Permaculture Conference ?
> > >>
> > >> Hey guys...not so long ago there was discussion on a likely Conference
> > >> for all Nth America...whats happened to that energy ? has anyone
> picked
> > >> up the challenge?, taken an initiative and moved it forward ? Skeeta,
> > >> are you still in there ? I reckon its time to take the bull by the
> horns
> > >> and jump in the deep end.
> > >>
> > >> At the International Conference in Jordan, IPC10, Scott Pitman and I
> > >> discussed future international structures in a workshop. There has
> been
> > >> waned discussion since but with Cuba's IPC11 just around the corner
> the
> > >> agenda will gain more development. One thread is to realise the
> > >> continental regions of the world. Then to consider each region having
> > >> conferences. Europe is already well advanced on this with their 12th
> > >> Conference happening in Kassel this year 1-5th August. Central America
> > >> has had a few. No other region to my knowledge has gone there yet.
> > >>
> > >> Something worthy of development eh what ?
> > >>
> > >> Steve Hart
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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