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[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

Good point Bob, let's do it! I'm game. It certainly is something that needs 
to be accomplished...


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 From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
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Why would we need to travel to do this?   If this is what we want to 
achieve, why couldn't we do this, well, right here and right now for 
example?

It could be an exercise in cooperative permaculture design -- 
observation, evaluation, design work, implementation.

I've always thought that some kind of a large project, operated in 
cyberspace, involving permaculture people from "all over the map" would 
not only be fun, we would all learn a lot from it and it might even do 
some good.

Bob Waldrop, OKC

On 7/16/2012 3:23 PM, Cory Brennan wrote:
> I would say it would be worth the travel miles if we actually walk away 
> with a plan to expand permaculture in multiple areas much more quickly than 
> it is happening and actually execute it. Then it would be worth it.
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: Nth American Conf
>  
> Why do we think that this event would be worth the damage the travel and
> etc associated with it would cause the earth's ecologies? Haven't we
> done enough harm to all with our sense of entitlement to all the travel
> we can manage to pay for with dollars?  Especially those of us who are
> privileged First World people?
>
> The Union of Concerned Scientists recently released a book on global
> warming and transportation/travel is one of the three major contributors
> to the emissions driving climate change.  They say one imperative of the
> future is that we need to drive less and travel less.  If we do travel,
> the kindest-to-the-earth method of travel is to take the bus.
>
> So in the spirit of harm reduction, at minimum if this event occurs it
> should be in a city easily accessible by bus travel, and travel by air
> and automobile should be actively discouraged by the organizers.  If it
> becomes a regular thing, it should not be an annual event, but instead
> should be at most once every four years.
>
> Bob Waldrop, OKC
> http://www.bettertimesinfo.org/permaculture350.pdf -- Hacking
> permaculture in 350 words
>
>
>
> On 7/16/2012 6:41 AM, venaurafarm wrote:
>> Steve Hart
>> Ecology Architect
>> skype: stevenlawrencehart
>>
>> Nth American Permaculture Conference ?
>>
>> Hey guys...not so long ago there was discussion on a likely Conference
>> for all Nth America...whats happened to that energy ? has anyone picked
>> up the challenge?, taken an initiative and moved it forward ? Skeeta,
>> are you still in there ? I reckon its time to take the bull by the horns
>> and jump in the deep end.
>>
>> At the International Conference in Jordan, IPC10, Scott Pitman and I
>> discussed future international structures in a workshop. There has been
>> waned discussion since but with Cuba's IPC11 just around the corner the
>> agenda will gain more development. One thread is to realise the
>> continental regions of the world. Then to consider each region having
>> conferences. Europe is already well advanced on this with their 12th
>> Conference happening in Kassel this year 1-5th August. Central America
>> has had a few. No other region to my knowledge has gone there yet.
>>
>> Something worthy of development eh what ?
>>
>> Steve Hart
>>
>>
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On 7/15/2012 9:14 PM, Daniel Jager wrote:

> I am willing to take up admin/moderation of the pcseasia google
> discussion group. I'll get the hang if it coming weekend.

I just visited the group and made you an owner and Felicity a manager
with option to become owner later.

> My idea is: why not have both: Facebook and Google groups page.

State on FB that your other resources are the primary sites for your pc
se asia work and provide all necessary links to them, i.e. the group,
blog, site, Google Docs, Picasa gallery, Google+ page and circle(s);
all integrated. Post to the group and attach material you have stored in
Google Docs or elsewhere on the web or upload from your computer.

Facebook is not worth my time; it is a trivial, transient, useless
resource, only good for casual activity. Good to chat with friends but
is a total loss as far as any serious archival and exchange of
information is concerned. It is a closed system, no search and retrieve
with Google. A Facebook group is worthless in my opinion. Google
resources are another matter.

Why don't you all get Google+ accounts so we can have a pcseasia Google+
circle and a separate pcseasia Google+ page. It would be a bit of work
to set this up but I am willing to do it.

> I am not so much a person of "reaching out", and doing events or
> similar things. I think the Facebook page would be ideal for that.
> And Felicity could manage / organize this?!?

Get your friends subscribed to the Group pcseasia then use that to make
announcements and host discussion. I can create a Google Site to store
documents and images of all sorts for use by the group members, a Picasa
gallery for images and videos, a blog to use as a journal to document
group activities. All these things work very well and are light years
beyond FB in the features department. The editor for groups, blog and
email posts offered by Google is without peer. Blog posts can be huge. I
have experimented with all these things for years and am convinced that
they are superior in all respects to competing resources. Forget the so
called "social network" thing and get on with sharing information and
announcing events and news. The default is social networking.

> If the google group page gets linked in the facebook page, it will
> get exposure. So for those who just want some info on events, etc,
> they can stay on the facebook page.

Use the group as the primary resources for information sharing, news and
announcements. I can't emphasize that too much. That was Google can
index all of it so people searching can find it.

> If they want to share experiences
> / info that can be searched on topic, etc, specifically related to pc
> practices in seasia, then the group page is best.

This is good.

LL