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  • From: Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Permaculture saying, "Prepare for Disaster" and the mo...
  • Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:47:57 -0700 (PDT)

Hi George,
 
My understanding is that CO2 is heavier than air and will therefore sink to
the bottom of the container anyway. It will drive out all the air anyway,
whether it sets on the top or the bottom.
 
A second reason is that dry ice will "burn" whatever it touches. I would not
want it in direct contact with the container bottom, top or sides, nor the
container contents.
 
Namaste,
 
Linda

--- On Mon, 10/31/11, georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at> wrote:


From: georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Permaculture saying, "Prepare for Disaster"
and the mo...
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 3:22 PM


Hi, DGilsen, you wrote
> Another thing that works to debug your dried food is dry Ice.  fill   
> your
> bucket with whatever you are trying to preserve to about two inches 
> from  the
> top,  Then place about six to eight oz of dry ice in the top of the
> container and put the lid on loosely .

I have  question here:
Why not put it on the bottom of the empty can and then pour the grain 
or beans on it?

For my imagination it would make a lot more sense to put the dry ice 
in there first and then fill the grin on top - thus the expanding CO2 
really drives out all air. I inagine, that if put on top part of the 
air might stay trapped on the bottom of the container, so grainborne 
bugs could still feast for a while till they use up the oxigen (no 
idea how long this would take).


Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Georg Parlow
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Am 03.10.2011 um 16:04 schrieb Bob Waldrop:

> Regarding food to acquire for long term storage . . . you should 
> store what
> you eat and eat what you store.  A time of crisis is not a time to 
> start a
> new diet. plus, if you don't eat your storage, it will not be rotated.
>
> Regarding containers for items like dried beans, wheat, etc., one of 
> the
> most common choices is a food grade five gallon bucket. The easiest 
> way to
> deal with potential insect issues is to fill the container and then 
> freeze
> it for a week, which should destroy any insect eggs.
>
> Bob Waldrop, OKC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:24 AM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Permaculture saying, "Prepare for 
> Disaster"
> and the mo...
>
> On 10/3/2011 2:25 AM, DGilsen@aol.com wrote:
>> Check out the Mormons they recommends that all their members get a   
>> years
>> supply of food for each member of their family .  They have places   
>> that
>> any
>> one can go and help can and buy dry foods.  They also have lists   
>> of what
>> you need and what the shelf life is of the foods they suggest  you 
>> buy.
>> Wheat, rice, beans, flour ,carrots, onions, potatoes  ect.  You do 
>> not
>> have to be
>> Mormon to buy and they will love to help you  get set up, the 
>> prices are
>> quite reasonable.  Call any Mormon church ( also  known as The 
>> Church of
>> Jesus
>> Christ of latter day Saints) and ask about food  storage.
>
> I would like to see this develop into a useful thread. Things I would
> like to know about are:
>
> I. Equipment
> 1) insect-proof, waterproof dry foods/bulk foods storage containers 
> for
> things such as whole rice, corn, other grains, beans, pasta, seaweed,
> dried fruit, tea and coffee, nuts, seeds, granola, dried peppers etc.
> 2) proper storage containers for canned and bottled goods that you do
> not want on shelving, incl. oils, tamari, vinegar, condiments and
> sauces, butters: sesame, sunflower, almond (and/or peanut, cashew),
> honey, rice malt, barley malt, molasses etc.
> 3) best ways to store grains and beans for prevention of insect damage
> 4) recommended refrigerators and freezers (for me that would be GE
> freezers, small capacity, several of them and nothing but Sanyo
> refrigerators (I have 4 medium sized counter top models without
> freezers, one still in the box, 3 in active use year round)
> II. Food to acquire for long term storage
>
> 1) My suggestions:
> seaweed
> dried hot peppers
> sea salt
> rice
> barley
> corn grits
> corn meal
> dried fruits
> tamari
> vinegar
> miso
> umeboshi
> natto
> olive oil
> sesame oil
> canned herring, sprats and sardines
> canned tuna
> canned chicken
> canned beef if you can find any on sale
> dried fish, sardines of varying sizes in bags from Asian stores
> dried mushrooms
> butters: sesame, sunflower, almond
> granola
> honey, rice malt, barley malt, molasses
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