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[ChildrensPeaceGuild <childrenspeaceguild@yahoo.com>]

This is tragic. 
I recently read that the term "urban homestead" was used over 40 years 
ago (perhaps in mother earth news?)

-Roman Children's Permaculture Guild 



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From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
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They used to be more open. They are a nice family. But they have had an 
insular 
"family only" kind of approach.  It's possible that someone (maybe their 
lawyer, 
who might be getting his "cut" from it) is influencing them unduly.  And 
maybe 
some people did "use" them and take advantage of them, feeding that 
perception. 
 Too bad, in any case. They are doing a good thing overall; they will lose 
goodwill with that attitude.  Do they really not see how they might benefit 
from 
your promotion of their work?   Cory


 
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Cory, Toby and all, There's a facebook page devoted to keeping the
workds "urban homestead" common property. 
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid7691686612454&id7527713295518&ref=notif&notif_tþed_comment#!/pages/Take-Back-Urban-Home-steadings/167527713295518
On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Cory Brennan wrote:

> They used to be more open. They are a nice family. But they have had
> an insular "family only" kind of approach.  It's possible that
> someone (maybe their lawyer, who might be getting his "cut" from it)
> is influencing them unduly.  And maybe some people did "use" them
> and take advantage of them, feeding that perception.  Too bad, in
> any case. They are doing a good thing overall; they will lose
> goodwill with that attitude.  Do they really not see how they might
> benefit from your promotion of their work?   Cory
>
> --- On Thu, 2/17/11, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:
>
> From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] in case you hadn't heard...
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 6:16 AM
>
> On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Davey wrote:
>
>> Urban Homestead
>>
>> and
>>
>> Urban Homesteading
>>
>> are now both trademarked by the Dervaes family
>
> Seems consistent with what I know about them. I asked for permission
> to use two of their photos in a presentation. They said I'd need to
> pay for them. When I said I would, they said they hadn't expected me
> to be willing to pay, and that they'd get back to me. Then they said
> no, because "their lawyer said I might benefit from their work in
> some way."
>
> I told them that I thought the whole point of what we all were doing
> was to have others benefit from it. They still said no. This was the
> first time, in a hundred or so photo requests that I've made, that
> someone refused to do it. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
>
> Toby
> http://patternliteracy.com
>
>
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