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[Keith Johnson <keithdj@mindspring.com>]

A quick Google search reveals that SArjuna (from Belgium, Wisconsin) 
is involved in the following sites and issues:

http://www.kenoshapotato.com/SBP  (squash breeding, gardening)
http://lifeenergies.com/  (man-made radiation, EMF hazards, electrical 
pollution, etc.)
http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=365 (EMF, etc.)
http://sustainjefferson.org/files/Shivani%20Arjuna%20Fermentation%20Class.pdf 
(fermented foods)
http://www.rlacg.org/ (community gardening)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/electricalpollution24jan04.shtml 
(electrical pollution [with dozens more on this subject])
http://seedkeeperslist.blogspot.com/2010/11/re-seed-keepers-last-chance-to-defeat-s.html 
(all about saving, preserving and exchanging, garden, landscape and 
farm seeds and plants)
http://mygiftofcancer.wordpress.com/click-here-for-articles/coming-clean-about-soap-and-other-personal-products/ 
(self-explanatory)
http://omega.twoday.net/stories/570410/ (electrical pollution)
http://listserv.repp.org/pipermail/strawbale_listserv.repp.org/2007-July/001136.html 
(commenter and questioner about straw-bale building)
http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/ayurveda-health-wellbeing/index5213.html 
(Ayurvedic medicine)

Hmm. Sounds to me like someone who cares about people and not like a 
"real bonafide professional, paid industry troll or self-styled one 
masquerading as a normal subscriber"

Did Lawrence do this minimum of research before making his decision or 
was it arbitrary and reactive?

Does this kind of honest inquiry make me a troll?

Troll: A person who posts to disrupt, distract, incite, or insult, 
with no attempt to further serious or useful discussion of the topic 
at hand.

Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a *troll* is someone who posts 
inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online 
community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, 
with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired 
emotional response^or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic 
discussion.^In addition to the offending poster, the noun /troll/ can 
also refer to the provocative message itself, as in "that was an 
excellent troll you posted". While the term /troll/ and its associated 
action *trolling* are primarily associated with Internet discourse, 
media attention in recent years has made such labels highly 
subjective, with /trolling/ being used to describe intentionally 
provocative actions outside of an online context. For example, recent 
media accounts have used the term /troll/ to describe "a person who 
defaces internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to 
families."^^


On 12/18/2010 1:29 PM, Kelly Simmons wrote:
> Hi Lawrence - So if I understand you correctly you are asserting 
> that you know for a fact that SArjuna@aol.com is a paid industry 
> troll or self-styled one masquerading as a normal subscriber and 
> does not deserve to be heard on this list serv?
> k
>
> On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:09 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>
> > On 12/18/2010 12:53 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> > > I'm reposting the following sentence in the hopes that I might 
> > > actually
> > > get a response from the list this time.
> > >
> > > *In regard to removing people from the list, please add my vote
> > > for a warning first.**...on list...in front of peers...with a
> > > clear statement of the rule violated.*
> > >
> > > Is this too much to ask? Is it difficult to do? Would it be too
> > > embarrassing? What are the problems involved?
> > >
> > > The Amish practice "shunning" to express their disapproval of an 
> > > other's
> > > behavior. Perhaps we can declare publicly that we are selectively
> > > shunning a person who repeatedly violates agreed trusts (rules).
> >
> > I made all of this perfectly clear in the past three posts I made 
> > on this subject, especially the most recent one. Again: it is the 
> > 1% of
> > subscribers who deliberately try to usurp, distract, degrade, 
> > divide this list with extremely inflammatory posts who demand 
> > immediate action
> > from me to keep them from going any further, i.e. shown the exit 
> > then and there. I will continue to implement this policy. I am not 
> > going to leave decision-making about that 1% to the list 
> > subscribership. That's how most lists and forums are run if they 
> > are to succeed and the majority are far more strict with regard to 
> > behavior that is tolerated
> > than this one is. Then there is the issue of real bonafide 
> > professional, paid industry trolls or self-styled ones masquerading 
> > as normal subscribers. They do exist, sanet-mg is full of them. 
> > These are not commons members and I waste no time locking them out 
> > of the list. That's SOP or all good lists and forums.
> >
> > Its is the remaining 99% that the list exists for and is capable of
> > using this forum as a commons. The Commons, list usage and 
> > guidelines documents on the list homepage apply to that community.
> >
> > > *In regard to removing people from the list, please add my vote
> > > for a warning first.**...on list...in front of peers...with a
> > > clear statement of the rule violated.*
> >
> > That policy will be followed 99% of the time.
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