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  • From: "Trudie Redding" <trrredding@gmail.com>
  • To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] civility,, respect and reputation
  • Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 12:08:53 -0500

Perhaps no wild animal peed on it yet

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-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Annie Pollock
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:55 AM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] civility,, respect and reputation

I think I could speak as an elder (50 something).
My experience of the topic raised by Kevin was that no one picked up on
his 'why?' question. I was very disappointed by the defensive responses,
lack of interest in the depth of his question,and inability to grasp the
opportunity of examining 'why?'
So, why are young people(not only young people) genuinely disturbed at
an occupying military force, with a deeply dodgy reputation for civilian
wellbeing, teaching permaculture to a civilisation older than most
western civilisations, in a geographical region where historically the
local people are/were famed for their beautiful gardens, poetry, and
self sufficiency?

Why not examine what greenwash is in this century? If I imagine myself
in the shoes of a civilian in Afghanistan or Iraq right now I would be
more than fucking disgusted at the pathetic token gesture/irony of being
helped with agriculture by part of the military machine. It doesn't add
up - depleted uranium, drones,military'errors', people fired on for
collecting water..... get real! (apologies for the rant, but I feel
strongly about this one)

Why fear saying 'no' to a deeply non ethical organisation?

These were just some of the good questions raised on ethics.

Oh,and why, why, do people keep banging on about the value of experience?
I find that in this decade of my life I learn and act better, and
make fewer mistakes, when I approach everything by firstly laying aside
my own pre conceived ideas. I can pass on my life experience, but
younger people are much sharper at picking up on a dead approach to a
topic.
Times have changed.

As far of reputation goes, we are only as good as our last decision.....
We stop learning when we stop listening to the question.
Annie
ps. And why do all the bumble bees in my garden favour one chive plant
in a row of sunny (for Scotland) chive plants?
I keep watching but I can't work it out. :-)

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