permaculture

["Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer" <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>]

John can pick up a hammer and build a house, or John could pick up a hammer
and do something far less desirable.  Our military is a group of highly
motivated men and women who are driven by the desire to serve their country.
They fallow orders in carrying out a mission dictated by our civilian
government. Our government is supposed to represent us, the people,
therefore it behooves us to get on the stick and demand the sort of mission
which we see as necessary for our security, to take back the power of
directing our representatives to garner a far better outcome than the one we
are realizing at the moment while providing the best tools possible to our
military.  I for one love the idea that permaculture has made it into the
minds and I hope the hearts of the National Guard, given that they will be
on the front line of future national emergencies.

Steven Eisenhauer

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Cory Brennan
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:59 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] permaculture enlightenment for the military

Permaculture is a revolution disguised as gardening. What if we were able to
help convert the army to a truly peace keeping force?  Stranger things have
happened, it is not beyond the realm of possibility.  Consciousness can
happen anywhere, even the army. I see National Guardsmen having the same
realizations I had, of how permaculture can eliminate the "need" for war as
it creates abundance for all living things and a way to live together much
more harmoniously. 

I relish the opportunity to find ways to do that in our own community.

Thank you for giving us this perspective, Toby, how very interesting!

Best, Cory

--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:

> From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] permaculture enlightenment for the military
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 5:09 PM
> People might be interested in the
> list of subjects studied by, or asked for by, the US Army
> National Guard Ag unit that Scott and I taught. This is what
> their 4-month training covered (And this is unclassified!).
> Draw your own conclusions according to your viewpoint.
> 
> (They are leaving for Afghanistan this week. I can call
> many of them my friends. I hope we can all wish them a safe
> journey and speedy return, and safety to the people they
> meet.) 
> 
> Q3:  What training have you already had?
> A3:  Ongoing or Training that we have attended
> (Current as of: 12 April)
> Beekeeping   
> Small Grain Management: Nitrogen additives, Tilling verses
> Non-tilling, Erosion control
> Small Fruit Workshop: Grapes, Berries and Small Hoop type
> Greenhouses
> Tanning Goat Hide: Processing the hide into leather (paint
> on, immersion and brain tanning)
> Pasture Conference: Weed and Brush Control
> Basic AG Spring Management: Grass Management
> Wagenseller Sheep Ranch: Herding with Dogs, Habitat, Life
> Cycle of Sheep, Sheep Mngt
> Basic Ag Field Day:     Irrigation
> & Rainwater Harvesting
> Purchasing Cattle
> Grapes & Vineyards
> Caring for Livestock
> Eco-Nature Tourism
> Nuisance Predator & Animal Control
> Cheese Workshop: Making Goat Cheese
> Pecan Grafting Workshop: Grafting Nut Trees
> Bergey Wind Power: Wind and Solar Power
> Basic Cattle Workshop:       
>    Handling, Nutrition & Pasture Basics,
> Herd Health, Selection Criteria
> Well drilling and basic pumps
> 
> Tishomingo Nation Fish Hatchery: Fish Hatchery set up &
> Operations
> Pond Management: Water Quality, Fish ID & Stocking,
> Mngt of Existing Ponds
> Contracting Officer (Afghanistan Specific) Course
> Welding Class
> International Agriculture Development:     
>     Poultry Education
> International Agriculture Development:     
>     Forestry Education
> Zack’s Windmill Service: Windmill Operation and
> Maintenance
> Blacksmith Workshop: Basic Principles, Coal Forge
>  
> Q4.  What training specifically are you interested
> in?
> A4:  I opportunity to train and learn in the Pojoaque
> area will be close to the environment where we will be
> deployed.  Reviewing the workshop schedules I, II, and
> III         
> Wool shearing, spinning and weaving
> Wool Rug making, Looms
> Mulching, Composting
> Natural Irrigation and water storage and harvesting
> Top Bar Beekeeping
> Sustainment Farming
> Seed Harvesting
> Pest Control with poultry
> Poultry Liter and fertilizer
> Poultry storage pastures, coops, brooding houses and
> chicken runs.
> Poultry Processing and cooking
> High Altitude farming
> Small plot farming
> Primitive Food Storage Techniques (Root Cellars,
> underground cold storage facilities, canning)
> Planting (Broad cast sowing, berries, grapes, gardens,
> rows, trellising and raised gardens)
> Small Dairy Operations: Milking, cream separating, butter
> making and having a drink
> Goat slaughtering / processing
> Fishing and processing a fish for dinner
> Tree planting and harvesting
> Fire building for heat and cooking (wood and other natural
> fuels)
> Soil testing or type determinations?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Lee Flier wrote:
> 
> > On 8/26/2010 8:55 PM, Patrick wrote:
> >> If we work with the military we become become
> tacit apologists for war whether we intend to or not.
> > 
> > No, we really don't.
> > 
> > The military is made up of human beings, most of whom
> have a sincere desire to serve - that is, to provide a
> service that is actually valuable to us, namely to defend us
> in the event that we ever really need it.  That
> politicians (let's not forget that the military is
> ultimately directed by civilians) often send these folks to
> give their lives for an evil cause doesn't change
> that.  So supporting the military while opposing war is
> really not at all contradictory.
> > 
> > Furthermore, the fact of the matter is that we have
> troops occupying a lot of places right now.  We can
> certainly do everything in our power to change that as
> voters, as activists, whatever means we have at our
> disposal... but the reality is they're there right
> now.  So if any damage to the earth or the local
> people, any at all, can be prevented by the troops having
> permaculture training, are you /really /saying you don't
> want that training to happen?  Over fear of sounding
> like an "apologist for war?"  Really?
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