permaculture

[Jonathan Storvick <jstorvick@gmail.com>]

To those who keep attacking Toby, Scott, etc. for "daring" to share (or even
think about sharing) permaculture design & philosophy with organizations
like the US military:  I have yet to hear what you are doing to spread the
positive permaculture meme.  Who are you teaching?  Who are you engaging
with?  What minds are you changing?  How are you shaping the culture of
tomorrow?  What seeds are you planting?  Its easy to be a self-righteous
armchair revolutionary.  Show me your actions, and how they will actively
benefit a culture that AS A WHOLE desperately needs more holistic and
sustainable thinking and practices, and then maybe I'll listen to your
diatribes about how we shouldn't teach permaculture to people we don't like
all that much.

Cheers,

Jon


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Toby Hemenway 
<toby@patternliteracy.com>wrote:

> Nicholas,
>
> You are profoundly ignorant of where and how I work (I'm on the Blackfeet
> Reservation at the moment) and your angry assumptions don' help anything .
> Let's not talk to each other like this.
>
> Toby
> http://patternliteracy.com
>
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Nicholas Roberts, Permaculture.coop wrote:
>
> > Toby, what I find so disturbing about your argument for teaching PDCs
> > to anyone, is the hermetic nature of your argument. You're ideas might
> > seem find from the suburbs of Oregon, but from where I sit, its the
> > kind of technocratic managerialism that pervaded liberalism during the
> > Vietnam war where agrarian reform and safe hamlets, winning the hearts
> > and minds was the mission of the enlightened elites.
> >
> > Maybe you cant think of anything, but maybe you need to get out more.
>