permaculture

[Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>]

Nicholas,

You are profoundly ignorant of where and how I work (I'm on the Blackfeet 
Reservation at the moment) and your angry assumptions don' help anything . 
Let's not talk to each other like this.

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com



On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Nicholas Roberts, Permaculture.coop wrote:

> Toby, what I find so disturbing about your argument for teaching PDCs
> to anyone, is the hermetic nature of your argument. You're ideas might
> seem find from the suburbs of Oregon, but from where I sit, its the
> kind of technocratic managerialism that pervaded liberalism during the
> Vietnam war where agrarian reform and safe hamlets, winning the hearts
> and minds was the mission of the enlightened elites.
> 
> Maybe you cant think of anything, but maybe you need to get out more.
> 
> Overall, I
>>> don' t think a corporation or military can be made any worse for learning
>>> permaculture, and I think I personally am engaging in Earth and people 
>>> care
>>> when I teach them, even if their own mission isn't. Institutions like
>>> corporations are way ahead of us in thinking up clever ways to screw up 
>>> the
>>> world; we won't make them better at that. But by being exposed to the
>>> ecological and ethical basis of permaculture, individuals in the
>>> organization will be transformed, and perhaps even the organization 
>>> itself.
>>> I've seen it happen. One at a time; that's how I do it. If that's outside
>>> your ethical framework; so be it.
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