permaculture

["Nicholas Roberts, Permaculture.coop" <permaculturecoop@gmail.com>]

>> Institutions like
>> corporations are way ahead of us in thinking up clever ways to screw up the
>> world; we won't make them better at that.

this is exactly wrong, corporations are constantly looking for,
finding, developing new markets, new commons to exploit. They are
always co-opting and adapting and capitalising.. you can make them
better at that...

there is a huge push into enclosure of ecosystems commons, applying
market mechanisms, private ownership and control, into ecosystems
services financialisation of these...there is also huge corporate
interest into biochar, perennial polyculture, organics etc

by lending your name, and by extension the permaculture movement,
which is bigger than one author, to that cause, you are either
altering the meaning of permaculture or doing some variant of
permaculture

as to the military, there big focus is counterinsurgency, and a large
part of this is sustainment-led complex operations, mapping cultural
landscape and integrating all of this into united military-development
regime. Military industrial sustainability
http://complexoperations.org/cowiki/Support_Agricultural_Development_Programs

I am not completely dismissive of the reforming possibilities of
permaculture and other education on transitioning the military, the
corporates... indeed there are lots of examples in contemporary and
ancient history of the transitions of institutions from one form to
another, this is how reforms become revolutions... how movements
become institutions

you might be happy with a neo-fuedal, military-industrial,
sustainability future, where mega-corporations, security-state and the
super-rich lord it over the world, but I am not...

maybe you should write a new book, McGaia's Fortress Garden







On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Nicholas Roberts, Permaculture.coop
<permaculturecoop@gmail.com> wrote:
> Toby, what I find so disturbing about your argument for teaching PDCs
> to anyone, is the hermetic nature of your argument. You're ideas might
> seem find from the suburbs of Oregon, but from where I sit, its the
> kind of technocratic managerialism that pervaded liberalism during the
> Vietnam war where agrarian reform and safe hamlets, winning the hearts
> and minds was the mission of the enlightened elites.
>
> Maybe you cant think of anything, but maybe you need to get out more.
>
>  Overall, I
>>> don' t think a corporation or military can be made any worse for learning
>>> permaculture, and I think I personally am engaging in Earth and people 
>>> care
>>> when I teach them, even if their own mission isn't. Institutions like
>>> corporations are way ahead of us in thinking up clever ways to screw up 
>>> the
>>> world; we won't make them better at that. But by being exposed to the
>>> ecological and ethical basis of permaculture, individuals in the
>>> organization will be transformed, and perhaps even the organization 
>>> itself.
>>> I've seen it happen. One at a time; that's how I do it. If that's outside
>>> your ethical framework; so be it.
>