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  • From: Laura Dvorak <lauradvorak@hotmail.com>
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  • Subject: [permaculture] acquiring land
  • Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:52:17 -0400



a few years back i had some friends looking in the Olympic Peninsula (a bit
to the south, along Route 12) in WA, where there are lots of clearcuts and
opportunities for sustainable growth. Land was cheap then (relative to the
rest of Washington anyway, not sure how to compare it to midwest, south,
etc). there's a lot of variable ecosystems- rain belts that get 100 + inches
a year and rain shadows that get less than 12. So you want to do your
research, but you can't beat the growing season, and the access to both small
and big communities should you need them.

good luck
laura
portland, or




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> 1. Purification of pond water (irrigation, aquaculture, holding,
> habitat) with bottom sediment stirring and distribution to feed
> aquatic plants floating on surface. (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
> 2. Re: how to acquire land (Robert Waldrop)
> 3. Re: how to acquire land (Brent McMillan)
> 4. Re: how to acquire land (Scott Pittman)
> 5. Re: how to acquire land (mIEKAL aND)
> 6. Re: how to acquire land (John Thomas Naisbitt)
> 7. Facebook | Saving the World with Stump Sprouts:
> (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
> 8. Re: Re, swales vs. keyline (Albert Johnson) (Albert Johnston)
> 9. FW: how to acquire land (Redding, Trudie A)
> 10. Re: Re, swales (sals3)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:04:09 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] Purification of pond water (irrigation,
> aquaculture, holding, habitat) with bottom sediment stirring and
> distribution to feed aquatic plants floating on surface.
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, Growing Small Farms
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> Purification of pond water(irrigation, aquaculture, holding, habitat) with
> bottom sediment stirring and distribution to
> feed aquatic plants floating on surface:
>
> John Todd at NAI and Ocean Arks International probably employed this
> technique and Elaine Ingham of Soil Foodweb
> suggested doing this to aerate and purify manure lagoon water to be used
> for fertilizer. She suggested looking at
> certain equipment manufactured to do this job. A type of submersible pump
> would "crawl" the pond or lagoon bottom
> excavating, liquifying and aerating sediments on the bottom and pumping
> them up to the pond surface where the nutrients
> can be utilized by floating aquatic plants and plants in the shallows such
> as cattails, reeds, water hyacinth, papyrus,
> water lillies, duckweed and algae.
>
> I have three wet weather ponds that collect and hold most of the runoff
> from my property. This includes overflow from
> gardens, roads, fallow fields and yards. We have had over three months of
> drought this year with only about 2" of
> rainfall, total. The pond with the lowest water level has a dense
> population of duckweed. The other day I threw a rock
> into the water to try and gauge depth. Two days later I noticed that the
> turbulence caused by the rock
> had disturbed nutrient-rich sediment, causing it to mix with water and flow
> into the surface area. There was intense,
> fresh growth of algae and duckweed at that spot; I could easily see the
> darker green color of the newly fertilized area.
>
> What equipment is available to use to treat ponds of various sizes and
> depths using this procedure? Smaller, slower
> units that are solar or wind powered would be ideal. These could be moved
> by hand from one location to another and
> eventually cover the entire pond bottom.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:49:49 -0500
> From: Robert Waldrop <bwaldrop@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] how to acquire land
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Look in lower-income rural areas away from the East and West coasts.
> e.g. Great Plains states like Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas
> panhandle, etc.
>
> Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City
>
>
> Justin Hahn wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Do any of you have any tips on acquiring inexpensively-priced land? It
> > doesn't have to be the best land, nor does it have to be developed or
> > settled land. Just land to live and permaculture on. The author of a blog
> > I
> > read (Ran Prieur) acquired a few acres of logged out Idaho land from a
> > logging company on the cheap. I'm wondering if there are any other ways
> > to
> > get land without taking out a mortgage or leasing it.
> > Degraded land (logged out, intensively farmed, etc) especially would be
> > good.
> > I'm thinking about $10,000-20,000.
> >
> > Best regards and thank you for your wisdom.
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:04:44 -0400
> From: Brent McMillan <brent@gp.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] how to acquire land
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hi Justin:
>
> I bought my first parcel of farm land 25 years ago on a land contract
> with a down-payment of $600. It was 13 acres.
>
> It had been tenant farmed for years. The top soil was pretty much fried.
> It has since gone through two 10 year CRP contracts to rebuild the top
> soil.
>
> I've added two more parcels since purchasing the initial 13 acres. It's
> now 32 acres. The place is totally transformed. It has exploded with
> wildlife. You couldn't even find a squirrel twenty five years ago. Now
> there are owls, pheasants, hawks, herons, geese, raccoons, deer ....
> that all call this place home.
>
> Every day I go out and work it I get gifted with something new.
>
> You might consider approaching the owner of the land and see if they
> will carry the paper. This way you do not need to go through a realtor
> or a bank.
>
> If you go down this path you will need to have a land contract drawn up.
> I had an attorney do that part.
>
> Sincerely:
>
> Brent McMillan, Steward of Woodhaven
> Avilla, IN USA
>
> Robert Waldrop wrote:
> > Look in lower-income rural areas away from the East and West coasts.
> > e.g. Great Plains states like Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas
> > panhandle, etc.
> >
> > Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> >
> >
> > Justin Hahn wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Do any of you have any tips on acquiring inexpensively-priced land? It
> >> doesn't have to be the best land, nor does it have to be developed or
> >> settled land. Just land to live and permaculture on. The author of a
> >> blog I
> >> read (Ran Prieur) acquired a few acres of logged out Idaho land from a
> >> logging company on the cheap. I'm wondering if there are any other ways
> >> to
> >> get land without taking out a mortgage or leasing it.
> >> Degraded land (logged out, intensively farmed, etc) especially would be
> >> good.
> >> I'm thinking about $10,000-20,000.
> >>
> >> Best regards and thank you for your wisdom.
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:17:15 -0600
> From: "Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] how to acquire land
> To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I googled "free land in Kansas" and came up with a lot of hits. By
> substituting other states for "Kansas" you can search a wider range of
> locations.
>
> Scott Pittman
> Director
> Permaculture Institute
> www.permaculture.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Brent McMillan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] how to acquire land
>
> Hi Justin:
>
> I bought my first parcel of farm land 25 years ago on a land contract
> with a down-payment of $600. It was 13 acres.
>
> It had been tenant farmed for years. The top soil was pretty much fried.
> It has since gone through two 10 year CRP contracts to rebuild the top
> soil.
>
> I've added two more parcels since purchasing the initial 13 acres. It's
> now 32 acres. The place is totally transformed. It has exploded with
> wildlife. You couldn't even find a squirrel twenty five years ago. Now
> there are owls, pheasants, hawks, herons, geese, raccoons, deer ....
> that all call this place home.
>
> Every day I go out and work it I get gifted with something new.
>
> You might consider approaching the owner of the land and see if they
> will carry the paper. This way you do not need to go through a realtor
> or a bank.
>
> If you go down this path you will need to have a land contract drawn up.
> I had an attorney do that part.
>
> Sincerely:
>
> Brent McMillan, Steward of Woodhaven
> Avilla, IN USA
>
> Robert Waldrop wrote:
> > Look in lower-income rural areas away from the East and West coasts.
> > e.g. Great Plains states like Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas
> > panhandle, etc.
> >
> > Robert Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> >
> >
> > Justin Hahn wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Do any of you have any tips on acquiring inexpensively-priced land? It
> >> doesn't have to be the best land, nor does it have to be developed or
> >> settled land. Just land to live and permaculture on. The author of a blog
> I
> >> read (Ran Prieur) acquired a few acres of logged out Idaho land from a
> >> logging company on the cheap. I'm wondering if there are any other ways
> to
> >> get land without taking out a mortgage or leasing it.
> >> Degraded land (logged out, intensively farmed, etc) especially would be
> >> good.
> >> I'm thinking about $10,000-20,000.
> >>
> >> Best regards and thank you for your wisdom.
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:02:30 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] how to acquire land
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Brent, do you have any pictures/documentation of your site online?
>
> Justin, land prices have gone down drastically around here in the
> Kickapoo Valley of Southwest Wisconsin. Perhaps still outside your
> price range but something to consider is that one of the counties here
> has the most organic farms (not acres) in the US. The county next to
> it has 2 15+ year old permaculture sites; our small 3 acre
> demonstration at Dreamtime Village & Mark Shepard's farm style
> permculture as New Forest Farm, about 4 miles from here.
>
> Scott, I would take searching for free land on the net with a grain of
> salt, but perhaps you were making a joke & I missed it.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
> harvesting cornus mas with a big tarp--wine soon to follow
>
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Brent McMillan wrote:
>
> > Hi Justin:
> >
> > I bought my first parcel of farm land 25 years ago on a land contract
> > with a down-payment of $600. It was 13 acres.
> >
> > It had been tenant farmed for years. The top soil was pretty much
> > fried.
> > It has since gone through two 10 year CRP contracts to rebuild the top
> > soil.
> >
> > I've added two more parcels since purchasing the initial 13 acres.
> > It's
> > now 32 acres. The place is totally transformed. It has exploded with
> > wildlife. You couldn't even find a squirrel twenty five years ago. Now
> > there are owls, pheasants, hawks, herons, geese, raccoons, deer ....
> > that all call this place home.
> >
> >>
> >> Justin Hahn wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> Do any of you have any tips on acquiring inexpensively-priced
> >>> land? It
> >>> doesn't have to be the best land, nor does it have to be developed
> >>> or
> >>> settled land. Just land to live and permaculture on. The author of
> >>> a blog I
> >>> read (Ran Prieur) acquired a few acres of logged out Idaho land
> >>> from a
> >>> logging company on the cheap. I'm wondering if there are any
> >>> other ways to
> >>> get land without taking out a mortgage or leasing it.
> >>> Degraded land (logged out, intensively farmed, etc) especially
> >>> would be
> >>> good.
> >>> I'm thinking about $10,000-20,000.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards and thank you for your wisdom.
> >>> ______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:23:32 -0600
> From: John Thomas Naisbitt <johntnaisbitt@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] how to acquire land
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID:
> <c4d3fe1e0909081823w5568ae95lbc97536bc4f18f88@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Justin, (and all y'all)
>
> I like to look at Mother Earth News' site for real estate. there are quite a
> few inexpensive, not quite free, parcels available across the country. Just
> add your details.....and whala! Listings come up in all shapes, sizes, and
> criteria. I've found quite a few "By Owner" and "Owner Financing" as well.
> Granted many listings are Zone 5 and should stay that way; however, there
> are opportunities avail. which have some sort of need for the "Permaculture
> touch" by responsible hands.
>
> http://www.landsofamerica.com/landsconnector/mother-earth-news/
>
> As far as free. There is always a cost, hidden or not. But doesn't even
> nature itself work that way?
>
> Best of Luck,
>
> John T Naisbitt
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Brent, do you have any pictures/documentation of your site online?
> >
> > Justin, land prices have gone down drastically around here in the
> > Kickapoo Valley of Southwest Wisconsin. Perhaps still outside your
> > price range but something to consider is that one of the counties here
> > has the most organic farms (not acres) in the US. The county next to
> > it has 2 15+ year old permaculture sites; our small 3 acre
> > demonstration at Dreamtime Village & Mark Shepard's farm style
> > permculture as New Forest Farm, about 4 miles from here.
> >
> > Scott, I would take searching for free land on the net with a grain of
> > salt, but perhaps you were making a joke & I missed it.
> >
> > ~mIEKAL
> >
> > harvesting cornus mas with a big tarp--wine soon to follow
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Brent McMillan wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Justin:
> > >
> > > I bought my first parcel of farm land 25 years ago on a land contract
> > > with a down-payment of $600. It was 13 acres.
> > >
> > > It had been tenant farmed for years. The top soil was pretty much
> > > fried.
> > > It has since gone through two 10 year CRP contracts to rebuild the top
> > > soil.
> > >
> > > I've added two more parcels since purchasing the initial 13 acres.
> > > It's
> > > now 32 acres. The place is totally transformed. It has exploded with
> > > wildlife. You couldn't even find a squirrel twenty five years ago. Now
> > > there are owls, pheasants, hawks, herons, geese, raccoons, deer ....
> > > that all call this place home.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Justin Hahn wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hello all,
> > >>>
> > >>> Do any of you have any tips on acquiring inexpensively-priced
> > >>> land? It
> > >>> doesn't have to be the best land, nor does it have to be developed
> > >>> or
> > >>> settled land. Just land to live and permaculture on. The author of
> > >>> a blog I
> > >>> read (Ran Prieur) acquired a few acres of logged out Idaho land
> > >>> from a
> > >>> logging company on the cheap. I'm wondering if there are any
> > >>> other ways to
> > >>> get land without taking out a mortgage or leasing it.
> > >>> Degraded land (logged out, intensively farmed, etc) especially
> > >>> would be
> > >>> good.
> > >>> I'm thinking about $10,000-20,000.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best regards and thank you for your wisdom.
> > >>> ______________________________________________
> > _______________________________________________
> > permaculture mailing list
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:31:30 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] Facebook | Saving the World with Stump
> Sprouts:
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>
>
> Saving the World with Stump Sprouts:
> Regenerating Cultures and Ecosystems with Coppice Agroforestry
> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/event.php?eid=160291628635&ref=nf
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:36:04 -0400
> From: Albert Johnston <johnston.albertg@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Re, swales vs. keyline (Albert Johnson)
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Using your description and google maps I am enjoying the view from
> above both the satellite and terrain map in 40' increments.
>
> It seems like you understand the predicament at the top of the ridge
> at nearly 1900' elevation. You have a 200 ft drop going to the
> neighbor on the east. A gentle slope to the northwest.
>
> I think it will take some tweeking on your part to get the best from
> the land. Try and get the most from the hard surface road which is
> almost 100% runoff. Think about icing, glazing keeping sun on the
> road. Also the kitchen garden is a great reference point and a
> delightful place for musing the possibilities.
> I thought I read that Darren Doherty is in the states. Maybe he will
> see this message and give some free advice too.
>
> (Sent from my iPhone. No spell checker yet.)
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:14 PM, John Fritz <johnfritz77@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Albert,
> >
> > I don't have GPS coordinates. The address is 17065 Holcombe School
> > Rd., West Fork, AR 72774, if that helps. Yes, I would like to have
> > swales leading to at least one dam. The slope at the southwest part
> > of the property, leading towards and down to the northwest is the
> > leading prospect for this as far as I can tell. There is already a
> > rudimentary swale adjacent to and to the east of the slope, leading
> > beyond the property line to the pond on the neighbor's property to
> > the south. This pond stays fairly full throughout the year so I
> > guess it would work for the pond I would like. Not much snow in
> > these parts. Perhaps 12" per year, but this is part of the 46"
> > average annual precipitation. My main objective is to increase the
> > biomass of the pasture as it is sparse in some parts. I think this
> > is owing to the precipitation draining away too fast for the grass
> > to use it. It appears the swale leading beyond the property line to
> > the south is
> > abetting this excess drainage. Also, I would like to drill a
> > shallow well if possible and increasing the moisture in the soil may
> > make this a more likely possibility. Post back if you have any more
> > questions.
> >
> > John Fritz, NW Arkansas.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:05:40 -0400
> > From: Albert Johnston <johnston.albertg@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] swaling versus keyline
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <2b52bb850908311705x189d158ev329e8a80b5cc07a3@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hello John,
> >
> > I am a permaculture student of April's. I would like to know where
> > the land
> > is so I can look at the contour on Google Maps. Also I would like to
> > know if
> > you would want the swales to be connected to a pond or dam?
> >
> > How much rainfall and snowfall is there per year?
> >
> > Maybe if the swales solve more problems than the keyline plow that
> > would be
> > the way to go.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:58:18 -0500
> From: "Redding, Trudie A" <tredding@mail.utexas.edu>
> Subject: [permaculture] FW: how to acquire land
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> You did not say what part of the country or climate you like, about 1998 I
> bought nine acres in san saba county tx on top of a hill, but its level
> when you get up there, no water rights, Colorado River below me, the small
> strips near the water are swampy and expensive, some friends heard me
> talking and bought land down the hill walking distance from mine, theirs
> included access to the water and a metal well made tractor garage it looks
> like. Their land was 42000, mine 10000
> I have been just letting it lie fallow now that no cows can get to it,
> (stricter rules apparently because of cattle diseases have limited their
> access to others land, I think) At first it was covered with old couches
> etc a fallen water tower and shack that in hindsight I wish I had
> reinforced, but hey no money. I've been watching the land shift, I brought
> some aloe vera and planted it, it had a peach tree and some local fruit
> trees, I mean, it has everything, it is not farmland per se nor pecan tree
> land, and the area is known for droughts that cause humankind to leave
> every 16 years or so so the pop stays low. It has a grotto, with sandstone
> rocks that shift, it has one small pond lined with the clay that the prev
> owner found on the land and put in it, it really needs a 12 foot deep pond
> in order to make it through most droughts I think. The way I found it; I
> was looking for something without zoning laws, outside of the pop triangle
> of Houston, Dallas, Austin, because East i
> s filling up quick, this land is 90 mi I think Northwest of Austin, it had
> been divided up into 9 acre parcels to build a subdivision, roads were
> laid, elec poles put up, then nobody bought. 30 yrs go by, the zoning laws
> are defunct
> There is a back way to travel to N Dallas area if I want to see relatives
> and friends in the region. I've never done a durn thing with the land, and
> am now carless by choice so I could pay off my house, so I never go there,
> wintertime is best, no chiggers, anyway, the point is, think of what you
> are looking for and yes, you get pleasure just knowing the land is no
> longer being destroyed. I have researched trusts a little, but it looks
> like it takes a lawyer...I was not able to get a loan at banks in the city,
> they want the loan to be for "building a house while paying for land" so I
> found one that said yes to a loan "for just plain land with no plans" in a
> small town called Goldthwaite north of my property. Be sure to keep the
> Permaculture list posted with your adventure, that Wisconsin information
> sounds very promising.
> Trudie
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:03 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] how to acquire land
>
> Brent, do you have any pictures/documentation of your site online?
>
> Justin, land prices have gone down drastically around here in the
> Kickapoo Valley of Southwest Wisconsin. ...
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:39:13 -0700
> From: "sals3" <sals3@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Re, swales
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> I live in santa barbara Ca. 7074 Casitas Pass Rd, Carpinteria, Santa
> Barbara, California 93013
> . my problem is I planted my trees over 25 years ago and now I find that
> water in my biggest cost. I was wondering if i can put in swales after the
> trees have been planted. It would be a dream if I can cut down on elec.
> for
> the well. my guess would be in the winter when the ground is soft from
> rain
> I could hand dig swales uphill from a group of trees. I guess i don't
> understand swales that well but can u do a few trees at a time or even one
> tree at a time or a small line of trees.you think if the trees have been
> there 20 years or so on drip that roots will be deep enough to suck up
> water from a swales in Santa Barbara. Do we get enough rain?
>
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