permaculture

[Keith Morris <earthsurfing@yahoo.com>]

Hi Christophe, et all.
Here in Northeastern North America, we have a wiki:
http://northeasternpermaculture.wikispaces.com/

which has emerged as a central organizing tool for inter-regional 
communication via the web..  There is New York City, Philladelphia, Vermont, 
Upstate NY, New Hampshire, Maine, Quebec, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and 
now Maryland, etc. connecting through this medium.
The best part about a wiki is its truly permaculture-  participatory, 
non-hierarchical, no web master or web mistress...  just post and edit in an 
open source way.  Everyone and anyone can contribute.  The most used feature 
is the calendar of events and the annual northeastern regional summer 
gathering (July 3-4, in Vermont this year), but there is a database of 
designers, sites, growing database of plant information, design showcase/ 
feedback, educational resources like free slides and powerpoints, etc.  
We'd love to connect with other regions and flesh out the links page- please 
feel to stop by and contribute!
Best,Keithhttp://sterlingcollege.edu/AD.summerfarm.htmlhttp://yestermorrow.org/http://burlingtonpermaculture.googlepages.com/
http://northeasternpermaculture.wikispaces.com/

Keith Morris  Prospect Rock Permaculture
Design and Education for Ecological Culture
  earthsurfing@yahoo.com  (802) 734.1129  PO Box 426   Jeffersonville, VT 
05464
  
  "If we do not do the impossible, we shall be faced with the unthinkable."  
-Murray Bookchin (1921-2006)



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Paul d'Aoust wrote:
> There's another mailing list here on ibiblio.org, called pcdb. You can
> search for it or sign up here:
>
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/pcdb

We originally created that list for serious contributors & developers only
and left this (permaculture) list for general discussion about the project(s)
and to stay current with progress and announcements.
Maybe it would be best to keep it that way unless consensus sees it 
differently.
For now, those interested in joining the pcdb list should email me at:
pcdb-owner@lists.ibiblio.org, lflj@intrex.net or lflj@bellsouth.net
and tell me about your interest in the project and what you hope to 
contribute to or derive from it
and how you would like to collaborate with others working on it.

Let me know what everyone wants and I'll configure that list accordingly.
1) should the archives be public?
2) open subscriptions or by approval/invitation/referral only?

For now, the archives are public:
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/pcdb/
and subscriptions are open though I need to receive email describing your
reason for wanting to be a list member and your interest in a developing an 
online permaculture database.

Let me know if anyone wants more information about the pcdb forum and about 
the history of
efforts to create a permaculture database, a permaculture guild or plant 
relationships database
at ibiblio.

> A couple years ago a group of us were trying to hash out what a
> permaculture database would look like -- what scope would it have? Could
> we gather information about plants, or would animals and microscopic
> critters be useful there too? How about tools and soil types? What about
> regional information, with contributors being able to describe their
> site, location, soil type, and keeping a log of their successes and
> failures? Eventually we got all too full of scope and the list dried up
> -- most of us probably wanted to be doing gardening instead :-) There
> was one attempt to create a database using MediaWiki, and it was a good
> idea, but I don't think there was enough collective momentum behind it.

That project is embodied is this website:

Hosted by ibiblio (http://www.ibiblio.org)
http://www.permaculture.info
this uses MediaWiki
to it can be added a WordPress blog and
forums provided by BBPress. I think RSS feeds can be inserted anywhere you 
want.

This is owned by Scott Pittman and the Permaculture Institute and is 
administered by
Rich Morris of PFAF. It needs maintenance at this point in time (hacked with 
spam here and there).

> Anyway, about a month ago there was a brief blip of activity, and it
> demonstrated that there are a few of us who are still really interested
> in creating a permaculture info database. You might want to read through
> past mailing list archives and see the ideas that people came up with,
> and see if you had some ideas that could inspire us all to start talking
> again!

I would like to see this move forward.

I have my own version going here:

I have made meager beginnings at:
http://www.ibiblio.org/permaculture
which offers Wordpress as a portal to a MediaWiki wiki
and BBPress forums, all integrated together.

I could use some help getting MediaWiki reinstalled so I can move on with 
installing Wordpress and BBPress.

> What is your area of expertise -- what languages do you know, do you
> have any favourite development frameworks and libraries, and have you
> had experience doing database design and normalisation?
>
> Paul d'Aoust
> Penticton, BC, Canada
>
> On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 16:13 -0700, christophe mckeon gonzalez de leon
> wrote:
>> hi everybody,
>>
>> just introducing myself. i'm still very new to
>> permaculture. i'm currently reading/watching
>> everything i can get my hands on about it, holistic
>> management, as well as botany and ecology.
>> i'm very excited about permaculture and i'll be doing
>> my PDC near santa barbara in june with darren doherty.
>>
>> i'm contemplating making a website for the
>> use of the permaculture community. for the
>> moment i am still very much educating myself
>> and trying to figure out how my skills as a
>> programmer and graphic designer can best
>> be used on this project. i have many ideas
>> and have written a fairly long-winded exposition
>> of those, but i think it best if i ask you guys first
>> before i put my ideas forward:
>>
>> if you could have a permaculture website
>> that could do *anything* you wanted, what
>> would those features that you find most
>> important/useful be?
>>
>> keeping in mind not just the currently initiated, but also
>> those wanting to find out more, as well as functionality
>> that will be useful in the long term, as the world situation
>> continues to unfold.
>>
>> regards,
>> christophe
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