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[Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com>]

Linda et al.,
   
  I absolutely agree, this is not a war between Tibet and China. That was 58 
years
  ago when 40,000 battle-hardened troops of the Chinese army overrun Tibet 
killing 
  most of the badly equipped men of the 8,000 strong Tibetan army.
   
  What we are talking about is genocide and the question of whether we are 
going 
  to condone genocide by participating in the Beijing Olympics like the World 
  participated in Hitler's Olympics in 1936.
   
  What we are talking about too is the fact that China was awarded the 
Olympics 
  on the condition that it respect human rights and freedom of press. Both are
  being violated by the Chinese authorities more than ever:
   
  All foreign journalists and tourists have been expelled from Tibet and 
other regions 
  where Tibetans live so that the Chinese security forces can go on killing 
unarmed 
  civilians without any witnesses. Thousands of protesters have been 
imprisoned 
  without trial. In Beijing, people are put on trial behind closed doors for 
having 
  expressed their opinion on the Internet like we do it all the time. Each 
one of us 
  would be in prison if we were Chinese.
   
  China is perpetrating one genocide in Tibet while sponsoring another 
genocide in
  Darfur/Sudan to secure badly needed oil supplies.
   
  This will be the Genocide Olympics.
  Happy and fair games to all who have the stomach to face it.
   
  Dieter Brand
  Portugal
   
  
Linda Shewan <linda.shewan@bryn.com.au> wrote:
  Wait a few months - they've been waiting for decades... every time they try 
to get news out to the world about what is happening there, they get 
slaughtered, as is happening now.

If the Tibetans do not get an international hearing now ie. while China has 
international focus and may be feeling slightly pressured politically through 
hosting the Olympics then they have no chance - as they have had for over 50 
years. Warring states are very different to ethnic cleansing don't you think.

This attitude of

'the poor athletes have trained so hard for this, lets support them'

as opposed to

'the Tibetans have been killed and tortured and had their basic human rights 
denied for over 50 years, lets support them'

highlights one of the real issues in our world. Athletes/sports people (and 
actors and singers also) are considered more important than everyone else - 
we make them out as kings and have all news taken over by their concerns - 
while the real world and real issues are swept under the rug.

South Africa only shifted their policies because of international pressure, 
with sports being a major factor. China has so much power we watch all the 
world leaders acquiesce to their requests because they don't want 'trade' to 
be affected. The Olympics is the only chance for the Tibetans. They need a 
chance, and they need our support.

Linda








-----Original Message-----
From: Charles de Matas [mailto:cdematas@hotmail.com]
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Subject: [permaculture] Boycott the Olympics ....


In ancient Greece warring city states suspended their disputes in order to 
participate in the Olympic Games. Presumably when the games were over they 
went back to killing each other. I think that the protestors in Tibet should 
wait until the Olympics are over to do their protesting. It's not fair to the 
athletes who have trained for 4 years to have to be distracted by all of 
these political issues. In the past athletes have even been killed while 
participating in the games. I'm sure that the organizers of the games would 
want the Olympics to be a time of peace, and a universal ceasefire. The 
problems in Tibet are not going to be solved overnight. They can wait a few 
months. Charles.
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Hi Ethan,

    I agree that permaculture in colleges (and schools in general) is one of 
our best leverage points.  I dream of the day when every public school has a 
forest garden and (more) university breeding programs are focused on 
ecologically appropriate polycultures; when attached greenhouses comprise 
living classrooms, offering heat to the building, better nutrition to the 
cafeterias...  ahh, that's just the beginning!

    Anyway, in answer to your questions I've had some interesting experiences 
teaching permaculture at Sterling College, the University of Vermont, the 
Yestermorrow Design Build School, the University of New Hampshire, UMASS, 
Johnson State College, Cambridge Elementary School, Waldorf Schools, and 
elsewhere.

    Obviously, it seems best if initial interest is coming from the students- 
sounds like you've already got that!

    But, in terms of developing a long term relationship- faculty and other 
staff are essential (or joining them, if possible!).  We are presently 
developing a permaculture concentration program- which is being led by 
student's designing their own majors, but it has taken a few years of courses 
in order for some more traditional faculty to realize there is more than 
sufficient depth in this field of study.  (UVM has had a legacy long before 
my time of students doing their own PC theses, etc. beginning, I believe, 
with Bill Murphy (of 'Greener Pastures') and influenced also by John Todd.)  
David Holmgren and Dave Jacke's works are also helping permaculture break 
into the realm of 'acceptance' in more conventional academia.

    But, most importantly it seems to me: DO IT!  I really think teaching has 
far exceeded implementation, and that's something we need to address as a 
movement.  (I realize you personally have been part of a good deal of 
implementation- I'm speaking generally).  But in terms of schools, in 
particular.  

    The Edible Forest Garden at Sterling leaves much to be desired, but it 
lies between the dorms and the cafeteria...  not some far off field you have 
to drive to.  People actually engage with it, study in it, walk through it, 
live in it: daily.  The student led design even included 'make-out' spots!  
The cafeteria actually serves and preserves its products (and the products of 
their working organic diversified farm)...

    While no longer in physical existence, the Institute for Social Ecology 
had this going on maybe better (or at least sooner) than anywhere in the NE 
(as well as graduating or staffing folks like Dave Jacke, Eric Toensmeier, 
H.C. Flores, Tom Stearns, Grace Gershuny, Brian Tokar, Jonathan Bates, Chaia 
Heller, myself, etc., etc.).  What worked there, and what didn't, are both 
ripe for further exploration.

    It seems to me like it might be best to choose one school with the most 
potential and interested students to actually design and plant permaculture 
gardens- where they live- if not actually engaging them in the design and 
siting of future dorms, other buildings, campus farms, whatever...

    If there is an existing student organization willing and able to do this- 
why create another?  If not, then maybe one should be started.  However, most 
students are only there for 4-5 years so having some staff (and especially 
grounds crews) involved in the project helps with continuity.  (As well as 
always bringing new freshmen on board, etc.)

    As far as connecting local farms, designers, etc. Mark Krawczyk has been 
developing a great model workshop series that is bringing together an 
incredible array and vast diversity of local skills, projects, designers, 
etc. for Burlington, VT.  Its not technically affiliated with any of the 
schools, but holds many workshops in their spaces and draws a great deal of 
participants from the various student bodies of that town- in addition to 
non-student community members, of course.  
http://burlingtonpermaculture.googlepages.com/

Well, I hope something in this rambling helps...

Best of luck- keep me informed!

Keith

Keith Morris
Prospect Rock Permaculture
(802) 734 1129
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Howdy All -

I'm a permaculture designer + teacher working mostly in northeastern
 North
America, and I'd like to ask for some advice on a number of upcoming
teaching events.

I'm going give talks at several colleges & universities around the
 northeast
(things are popping up here!), mostly through invitations by student
environmental + activist groups. Collaborating with existing
 educational
infrastructure seems to be a potentially strong leverage point for
widespread sharing of pc principles + practices, and so I am looking
 for
ways to really encourage permaculture activity on/connected to these
campuses my learning events.

Of course every situation is different and careful
 social/political/cultural
Site A&A is ideal in each case. But, based on your actual
 experiences,
 what
can I do to encourage pc ideas/programs/projects to take root at these
universities? Should I...
-- Ask students start their own little pc groups, or integrate pc into
 their
existing groups' focus?
-- Put in effort to get faculty, administration, and staff to the
 teaching
event?
-- Work to secure continued teaching + demonstration events on site?
-- Find co-sponsorship and connection to academic departments?
-- How can I make connections to local pc designers, farmers, and
 projects,
most effectively?

What else?!? I welcome your thoughts and suggestions.

In peace growing quickly
Ethan
       
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Well, Larry. Here we are again. Cross posting at each other and having a
good time. Damn, reminds me of the show -  good times are here again.
It's a nice feeling even if I don't get scuttle-butt from the other
subscribers on the list.

You know what - (u no what)?

At the Bayjoong Olimpiks - every non - chinese should enter the stadium
with a 'glock" in their underwear. Or if overweight, somewhere else.

Or cancel the Olimpiks  (hopefully due to lack of interest, waste of jet
fuel to get there and back, food poisoning, lead based firecrackers,
chemical toxins in drinking water which causes slanted eyes or STD's)
and funnel the money into permaculture.

Maybe some of the concubines could slip mind clouding drugs into the
officials drinking water and they would announce non televisement of the
event. Martial Law. Hadn't been one Marshall since Tito. Or Confucious
will convince them to dive off the roof thinking the Chinese giant
egg-roll is hidden amongst the Easter eggs.

Wait. How do you catch an ether-bunny? With an ether-net. (computer
industry workers joke) 

Maybe the giant Easter Bunny will pea on the judges and tell them the
horse poop on the ground is holy chocolate and to step in it and expect
manadarins in every room or at worse, a chance to work on an
Intercontinental Railroad. Wait a minute. These guys are experienced at
building r.r.'s. They should build them coast to coast and power them
with nuclear waste.

-- 
J. Kolenovsky
Peak Oil and Co2 
is changing our life-style. 
http://www.energybulletin.net/.
http://www.theoildrum.com/. See movie: 
http://earththesequel.edf.org/trailer