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  • From: "Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>
  • To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] politics and permies
  • Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:29:05 -0700

Due to linguistic advantage and some's lack of ability to read without
reading into, my flummoxedness has reached critical mass and I am retiring
from the "politics and permies" thread.

I leave with this caveat: None of my communications have been personal
aside from the fact that I am responding to a person or persons who
addressed my communications personally. I originally entered this
"discussion" because the subject interests me and I continued the
conversation in the vain hope that I could bring clarity to what I consider
a gross misreading of my written word. I must plead guilty to
"passionately" pursuing my beliefs regarding this thread. As far as there
being "cliques" and other pc conspiratorial groups behind my communications
I can only say, and I mean this in a loving way, Hogwash!

Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Katey [mailto:newtribe@hughes.net]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:42 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] politics and permies

Stella wrote:
> given what ONE Ghandi was able to do, or one Martin Luther King, in
> terms of social change .. I think we should seriously ask ourselves
> why, with so many permaculturists loose ... we haven´t re-designed
> society yet.
>
> it´s only a revolutionary system of design if some revolution actually
> happens.
What did one Gandhi or one MLK Jr do? Got themselves killed for one.
Revolutions don't change things, not really. They have failed humans
miserably through the ages as the elite rule of civilization has marched
steadfastly onward, side stepping here and there, but always
relentlessly onward.

After the British pulled out Gandhi saw the destruction of the nation he
was trying to free. And it did not happen through non-violence and
peaceable means.

MLK Jr, Medgar Evers, and so many others lost their lives for the
"gains" we made in civil rights (ask the Jena 6 how far we've come).
Jesse and Al, standing right at King's side, learned quickly not to rock
the boat too hard. Definitely not hard enough to evoke change, lest you
be killed.

We will change the paradigm, not through revolution, but through
evolution. It will take switching the mindset of enough humans to
create the kind of change we need to see. And i agree that permaculture
is a great tool for that. It might be way too slow for most of the
species on the planet currently (including our own), but that shouldn't
stop us from doing what we know in our hearts, guts and minds is a great
healing. And do it as a political statement!

~katey

Katey Culver
ecoville architechs
www.earthandstraw.com







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