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  • From: "Healing Hawk" <healinghawk@earthlink.net>
  • To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] small cooking woodstove
  • Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:56:53 -0500

It's not about writing off Christianity, although I'm not particularly
averse to that option. It's about rejecting the Christian axiom that nature
has no reason to exist save to serve man. If Christianity is taking care of
that, hooray!

I worship nature, after reading Donald Crosby's _A Religion of Nature_. I
watch more and more nature disappear. Every time I go out in Austin,
another wood has been scraped clean for another strip mall or condo
development. That's a result of operating from the belief that nature has
no reason to exist save to serve man.

It's also bare-knuckles corporatism, the thing thousands of US soldiers died
to defeat in WWII. Mussolini said it was corporate power and governmental
power combined.

As far as I can tell, most of both corporate and governmental power holders
today call themselves Christians. Lynn White, jr. could have written today,
I think.

I'm a recovering Southern Baptist and I've no use for that "only way" dogma,
but that's just weird old me. My fiancé still calls herself a Christian but
she doesnÂ’t believe in the "only way" dogma, either. We get along.

Tommy Tolson
Austin, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Konger
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:23 PM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] small cooking woodstove

The values of Christianity are not against nature, but for it, to respect
all of God's creation. St. Francis called all creatures his brothers and
sisters. Just recently, Pope Benedict declared on CNN that it is a sin not
to be green. He quoted in my Catholic newspaper that ecology is the key to
understanding why sin is bad, and why we should turn away from it. All
priests practice celebacy and so do I which means we are not contributing to
the problem of overpopulation and other hurtful sexual sins that keeps us
from becoming a sharing community. I believe that the message of Christ in
the BIBLE is very ecological and environmental. In the Gospel it says that
birds neither reap nor sow, but yet the Father still feeds them. Doesn't
that sound ecological? From the messages I read on this board, they share a
lot of the same values that Christ taught. Please do not write off
Christianity.

Greg Konger



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