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  • From: "Robert Waldrop" <bwaldrop@cox.net>
  • To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Ron Paul for president of the UnitedStatesofAmerica
  • Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:08:14 -0500

I was a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party for 16 years, ran for office 7 times on the LP ticket, and I have met Ron Paul personally. I am not a libertarian anymore. As my understanding of permaculture and ecology and justice has increased, my "belief" in libertarianism has waned. One problem is the libertarian insistence that everything in politics and economics can be derived from their so-called non-aggression principle. This idea that there is a "Grand Unified Theory of Politics and Economics" is a big problem in the first place, because I am highly doubtful that there is any such animal.

A second problem is a consistent inconsistency in the practical application of libertarian philosophies to US politics. A strict reading of libertarian economics would say that limited liability corporations are creations of the State and should not exist under a libertarian economy because they are effectively an artificial grant of privilege from the State. While strict libertarians will concede this point, the Libertarian political movement has never crusaded against corporations qua corporations.

I think libertarians get some issues right, because some issues need a libertarian approach. Libertarians have always been on the side of the angels regarding foreign policy and war, the libertarian oriented antiwar.com is one of the best anti-war portals on the internet. Other issues should be resolved with liberal principles, still others, conservatively, and some from a socialist viewpoint.

But they all could do with a strong dose of permaculture design. There is no "one-size-fits-all" design. Designs are site and client specific. The same is true of approaches to political problems, which could be the subject of a permaculture design effort. Dogmatic libertarians, like dogmatic anythings in the political realm (Democrats, Republicans, Socialists, etc) look at the world first with their political ideology, and they wrestle everything to fit into that ideology. If it doesn't fit, they ignore it.

An interesting service the permaculture movement could offer would be a series of intensive experiences that apply permaculture principles to various political problems in an effort, over time, to sort out permaculture approaches to the big problems and major invisible structures of this era.

Bob Waldrop, OKC

PS. The best online critique of libertarianism is http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html "A Non-libertarian FAQ".

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Benway" <ken@arcadiandesign.org>
To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Ron Paul for president of the UnitedStatesofAmerica


Lawrence,
The answer to this is really quite simple. Go to the following website
and read the article on the home page.
http://invisiblepatriots.com/web2/Democracy.html
Ron Paul is a libertarian republican. Need I say more?
I look forward to your response.
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence F.
London, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:22 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Ron Paul for president of the United
StatesofAmerica

Kenneth Benway wrote:

<...>

Why aren't you supporting Democratic candidates such as Joe Biden, John
Edwards,
Bob Kerry, Bill Richardson? All excellect choices for president. Why
didn't Paul join
the Democratic Party? Why did he ally himself with a party containing
such odius notables
as Alphonse DAmato, Trent Lott, Brownback, Romney and the like when he
could have joined forces
with a party containing people with intelligence?


--
Lawrence F. London, Jr.
Venaura Farm
lfl@intrex.net
http://market-farming.com
http://market-farming.com/venaurafarm
http://venaurafarm.blogspot.com/
http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech

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