permaculture

[J Kolenovsky <garden@hal-pc.org>]

Thank you, Bart, for stepping up to the plate.  I read your website 
daily. This group could benefit from more people of your background. 
Maybe the naysayers would become believers. Heinberg, Holmgrem Kuntsler, 
Colin, et al are a host of good sources on the PO theory.   I believe 
the proof or credible demonstation is a very SIMPLE thing. (like KISS). 
Oil is finite. There is only so much. This is not about RUNNING OUT. It 
is about shortage and supply and demand. Look at this. How long oil been 
pumped out of ground? 150 years? How many oil consuming machines made in 
that time period. 2 billion? How many tailpipes idling on fossil fuels? 
1 billion?  C'mon. This planet is not that big and is getting scarce on 
fossil fuels and oxygen. The real issue is not the aforementioned but 
is, "What are we going to do going forward? Are we going to put aside 
our uniquenesses and get along to work towards a solution and common 
good? Will we pull our heads out of our encyclopedias and lexicographias 
and look around at the world about us. Institutions aren't going to 
educate people about this. Will we step up and educate them about 
possibilities to live in the future?" Or are we scared about what we 
have done in the past 150 years (fattened calves) and start thinking 
about living real lives in the next 150 years?


> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:50:40 -0700
> From: "Bart Anderson" <bart@cwo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Global Food Supply Near the Breaking Point
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Toby Hemenway wrote:
> "Turning away from the course we are on, as a civilization, is not something
> that is going to occur by a vote or changing our shopping habits...."
>
> Thanks for explaining more, Toby.  As usual it makes sense.  For a minute I
> was afraid you had been infected with doomerism!
>
>
> Lawrence London, wrote: 
> "Where is there any proof or credible demonstration of oil shortages? Who
> can you believe about this?"
>
> Over the last few years, much writing and research has appeared that answers
> these questions.
>
> For me, the best summary of Peak Oil has been in Richard Heinberg's books:
> "The Party's Over" and "Powerdown".  Heinberg teaches human ecology and is a
> permaculture ally.
>
> Many of his articles are online at:
> http://energybulletin.net/news.php?author=heinberg&keywords=&cat=0&action=search&pageID=2
>
> David Holmgren has thought a lot about Peak Oil:
> http://energybulletin.net/news.php?author=holmgren&keywords=&cat=0&action=search
>  (go to original articles for best display)
> http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/search/holmgren
>
> I especially like Holmgren's interview by Adam Fenderson
> http://energybulletin.net/524.html
> video: http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/interviews/106 
>
> Bart Anderson
> energybulletin.net

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