permaculture

["Michelle Maggiore" <mmaggior@mindspring.com>]

Hi- Can someone please tell me the full name/info for the Volumes 1 and 2 of
the edible Forest Garden books? I want to recommend them to our library
system for purchase, and in the meantime, try to obtain them from
interlibrary loan. Thanks!
Michelle in Central Virginia
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>    1. Re: TOOLS! [[gardening hand tools]] (Greg)
>    2. Re: TOOLS! [[gardening hand tools]] (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>    3. Re: TOOLS! [[gardening hand tools]] (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>    4. awesome list!!! (LANT)
>    5. Edible Forest Gardens (neshura)
>    6. Re: Edible Forest Gardens (mIEKAL aND)
>    7. Re: awesome list!!! (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:35:19 -0700
> From: Greg <FarmerGreg@UrbanFarm.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] TOOLS! [[gardening hand tools]]
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> Larry,
>
> A great place to start  is the Tool Book by William Bryant Logan.
> Just looked up "the Tool Book" on amazon and there are used copies
> for as little as $3.  I have a copy here and it has hundreds of pics
> and descriptions.  It is a picture style coffee table book.
>
> Greg Peterson
> The Urban Farm
>
>
>
> >I need ideas and information (pictures, drawings, diagrams, text
> >documentation) on hand gardening (and homesteading)
> >tools, tried and proven and used worldwide in all cultures. Tools
> >for working dirt and plants for gardeners, market
> >farmers, landscapers, landscape gardeners, nurserymen and foresters
> >are my main interest.
> >
> >Do any of you have a garden tools wishlist? Do you use any tools
> >regularly that are OK but could use some design,
> >construction or materials improvement? Do you need any tools for
> >certain tasks, often repeated, that are either not on
> >the market, are available but are either too hard to obtain (i.e.
> >from foreign source) or too expensive or are available
> >but are not quite the right design (too small, too heavy, not
> >balanced/incorrect ergonomically, not the right shape,
> >wrong handle, etc.)?
> >
> >I have nearly two dozen tool designs in mind that, if constructed or
> >manufactured, could help gardeners do a better job
> >in less time, with some able to do unique jobs. Two out of this list
> >are exceptionally useful almost to the point of
> >being indispensible. These are manufactured in some form or another
> >around the globe and some are available in the US.
> >I have explored mass producing these two (for starters) to market
> >online myself and through other companies who do mail
> >order sales. Of course the first entrepreneur in the PRC who sees
> >mine (I do not plan to patent them - probably not
> >possible, anyway) and goes hunting for an array of local job shops
> >with production and export in mind (to The Borg, USA)
> >may usurp my hard won market share :-).
> >
> >I am seeking tool design and marketing ideas from folks who would
> >like to see certain world-class, lifetime, highly
> >functional gardeners tools manufactured and made readily available
> >for a reasonable price. I would also be interested in
> >knowing of existing mail order/web order companies who might want to
> >carry my products.
> >
> >This sourcelist may give you some ideas and items for your wishlist:
> >http://market-farming.com/gardening-hand-tools.faq
> >
> >Thanks for any feedback!
> >
> >Lawrence London
> >http://market-farming.com
> >lfl@intrex.net
> >info@market-farming.com
> >Venaura Farm
> >Chapel Hill, NC, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> -- 
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> Growing good food
> Having fun gardening
> Connecting with nature
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>
> Greg Peterson
> http://www.urbanfarm.org
> 602/565-7045
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:04:21 -0500
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] TOOLS! [[gardening hand tools]]
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> William Genest wrote:
>
> > I like it. I myself have been rigging quality japanese  blades to my
> > hockey stick to great effect - I call it the CanMurai ( Candian
> > Samurai!)
>
> :-). I envisioned a Duesenbarrow, Rolls Rake.
>
> What kind of blades are these and where do you buy them?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:06:30 -0500
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] TOOLS! [[gardening hand tools]]
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Greg wrote:
>
> > Larry,
> >
> > A great place to start  is the Tool Book by William Bryant Logan.
> > Just looked up "the Tool Book" on amazon and there are used copies
> > for as little as $3.  I have a copy here and it has hundreds of pics
> > and descriptions.  It is a picture style coffee table book.
>
> Thanks for the reference, Greg. I will try to find a copy of this.
> Old Smith & Hawken catallogs are good. They even published a small
> hand tool enecylopedia once.
>
> LL
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:41:27 -0600
> From: "LANT" <lynnann@newnorth.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] awesome list!!!
> To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <002b01c61857$d15a1140$6400a8c0@lynnanne550f45>
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> Thanks so much for a wonderful resource list.  My every effort is
searching for recourses for unique and functional tools to offer at my
little garden center.  I've taught so many folks up here about "post-hole"
planting (with our sandy soil...only amend the area where you plant the
plant...also, it's a very good"no till" method).
>
> I've found some very nice post-hole diggers over the years...but they are
all too pricey for my taste.  I usually end up "loaning" the ones I
have...then sell it to the "loanees" when they return it delighted with how
easy their planting project became with it's use.
>
> I'll scour the sites you mentioned for a post-hole digger that I can
market with assurance...thanks again...love and peace...lynnann
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:31:11 -0500
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] TOOLS! [[gardening hand tools]]
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>,
> SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU, marketfarming@lists.ibiblio.org,
> growingsmallfarms@lists.ncsu.edu
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>
> I need ideas and information (pictures, drawings, diagrams, text
documentation) on hand gardening (and homesteading)
> tools, tried and proven and used worldwide in all cultures. Tools for
working dirt and plants for gardeners, market
> farmers, landscapers, landscape gardeners, nurserymen and foresters are my
main interest.
> snip...
>
> This sourcelist may give you some ideas and items for your wishlist:
> http://market-farming.com/gardening-hand-tools.faq
>
> Thanks for any feedback!
>
> Lawrence London
> http://market-farming.com
> lfl@intrex.net
> info@market-farming.com
> Venaura Farm
> Chapel Hill, NC, USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:47:23 -0500
> From: neshura <neshura@gmail.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Edible Forest Gardens
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> I ordered it when it finally came out and have been reading a couple
> pages a night since then.
>
> I finished Volume 1 last night, and my head is still spinning (in a
> happy way) from the amount of theory and discussion introduced. Volume
> 1, on the theoretical underpinnings, was hefty but Volume 2, the
> practical volume, is much larger. I quail, slightly, from starting it
> -- much less finishing it.
>
> So far, I highly recommend the set though; I've not been to take time
> off for a PDC, so there may be plenty of information that a certified
> person would already know, but I learned a great deal from this text.
> In particular, the discussions of the soil food web, nutrient flows,
> and succession theories -- these were things I had not encountered in
> such vivid detail anywhere else.
>
> http://www.edibleforestgardens.com/
> (I got my copy from amazon though)
>
> -neshura
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:59:58 -0600
> From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Edible Forest Gardens
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> This is what I was wondering, how much new ground is broke with
> these?  It looks like a wonderful resource but the price is beyond my
> grasp (I will put them on my Amazon wishlist tho..)   The one thing
> that I'm really hoping is there there is a solid amount of focus on
> northern temperate species & design--
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:47 AM, neshura wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > So far, I highly recommend the set though; I've not been to take time
> > off for a PDC, so there may be plenty of information that a certified
> > person would already know, but I learned a great deal from this text.
> > In particular, the discussions
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:53:25 -0500
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] awesome list!!!
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <43C7DB05.3080007@intrex.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> LANT wrote:
>
> > Thanks so much for a wonderful resource list.  My every effort is
searching for recourses for unique and functional tools to offer at my
little garden center.  I've taught so many folks up here about "post-hole"
planting (with our sandy soil...only amend the area where you plant the
plant...also, it's a very good"no till" method).
> >
> > I've found some very nice post-hole diggers over the years...but they
are all too pricey for my taste.  I usually end up "loaning" the ones I
have...then sell it to the "loanees" when they return it delighted with how
easy their planting project became with it's use.
> >
> > I'll scour the sites you mentioned for a post-hole digger that I can
market with assurance...thanks again...love and peace...lynnann
>
> Maybe this is a tool I'll make, with some variations. Post hole digger
handles (two sizes) are very good to use for
> digging hoes and readily available.
>
> LL
>
>
>
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