permaculture

["urbana permaculture project" <upp@anacroatan.org>]

Ahh, so nice to hear of someone who knows Maturana. He was an old 
influence in the parent project of the Urbana Permaculture Project: the 
School for Designing A Society. Last spring I taught a class at the 
School using "The Tree of Knowledge" as an introduction to Permaculture.

recursively,
Rob


> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:58:53 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Greening Earth Society
> From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net>
> To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Reply-To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> Aloha,
> 
> Good question, Claude.
> 
> I observe that 'how we do what we do is who we are becoming' 
(paraphrasing
> Humberto Maturana, a systems thinker's systems thinker...)
> 
> In the case of this organization, the 'how they do what they do' is to
> deceive or attempt to deceive others, in a variety of ways, to protect
> their own interests against what I for one consider the best 
interests of
> our species as well as a whole lotta others.
> 
> They do this by selective presentation of certain information, by
> omission, by simplification of complex problems, by invocation of
> 'authorities' in specialized areas, by choice of name, etc. - common 
and
> probably ageless forms of what we 'modern' folk call propaganda.
> 
> So it would be hypocritical of me to support how they do what they do.
> 
> I don't object to practical on-the-ground holistic regeneration that 
may
> get done with their money (though most of their proposals don't sound 
at
> all holistic and some sound downright dangerous) - and I will happily
> thank them for that while continuing to express why I disagree with 
both
> how they frame the issues they claim to address and how they attempt 
to
> address them.
> 
> As Bateson said, the key is to hold both, together and separately, at 
the
> same time.
> 
> 
> John Schinnerer, MA
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