permaculture

["Wesley Trotman" <trotmanw@bigpond.com>]

Rick,
Thaks for tepary bean note.

Re your farming.
Are you for real? I thought this was a discussion group for Pc not
industrialised agriculture.
This planet cannot shrink the individuals eco footprint while we continue in
the use of industrial agricultural. Food production must become a very
individual personal activity and then only then will we personally accept
the reduction in energy subsidised inputs.
A primary concern of all should be the way humans have shortcircuited the
closed loop of eco systems, which includes food.
The looming petroleum reserves end and global warming in themselves will
force our societies to change food production practices. Also dont forget
pollution is the result of the short circuiting of the life loops.

These changes also reflect on the way we currently organise our social and
work arragements.

perhaps if we keep to our energy hungry lifestyles we will forced to accept
nuclear energy and what thne for pollution.

Wes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Valley" <bamboogrove@cmug.com>
To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: [permaculture] Re: big ag in Pc


>
>
> > From: BK <lildragon@saber.net>
>
> >
> > -On large scale the large scale ag and permaculture discussion, I think
> > mechinized harvesting inherently needs large amount of uniform product
(a
> > John Deere ain't intellegent enough to pick a tomatoe, then a carrot, an
> > apple and a sprig of basil in one run).
>
> (True, I'm not talking about 200 acres of veggies here; but then, ain't
> permies 'sposed to grow their own veggies? I know I don't spend alot at
the
> produce section of my food coop!)
>
> I know a farmer who grew fava beans and wheat together, and combined them
> together, and sifted them apart.
>
> I know another who intercrops hazels and walnuts, running sheep and
turkeys
> under them, and of course has bees that work the flowers. That's just ONE
> part of his farm.
>
> The startling thing is not that it's hard to do larger permacultures, but
> that with all the economic trends and invisible structures barring the
way,
> so many are managing to farm in a permacultural manner.
> -Rick
>
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