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["Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>]

Chad Knepp wrote:

> Lawrence F. London, Jr. writes:

>  > Better to get on that RSN.
>
> Hmmm... Real Soon Now, you must go way back ;-)

Yep, that's an old Usenet term. I came to the Internet from Fidonet, running 
a BBS.
There was only email, Usenet and FTP, later Gopher, then http.
RSN is used when there is a need to avoid being labelled a procrastinator. 
Instead of saying
"don't worry, I'll get it done first of next week" you simply say, "I'll get it 
done RSN".
Real Soon Now wafts an air of professionalism over an audience.

>  > > First of all how about people revote with this option as well.  Sounds
>  > > like Lawrence and myself would prefer permaculture.info.
>  > > Waddyallthank?  I don't know Spanish but I can do colloquial ;-)
>  > 
>  > > Also, the question of ownership of the domain name is an important one
>  > > and I'm not sure it should be held by an individual.  The other side
>  > 
>  > 1) Establish a trust at the Permaculture Union and let the trust
>  > own all our domains.

I meant The Permaculture Credit Union, in New Mexico, I think.

> Is this David Blume?  

No.

Doesn't he also own permaculture.com?  Unless

Yes. I want nothing to do with that dude.

> PCCU is a non-profit with one of us on the board there is a
> possibility that a conflict of interest would disadvantage us.

None of us are on the board of the PCU. I was referring to a simple trust, the sort of thing you set up at a bank with the aid of a lawyer, 
to manage an estate, take in funds and disperse them as needed; the bank charges a fee to administer a trust.

>  > 2) See if the Permaculture Institute would do it and guarantee that
>  > our interests will always prevail
>
> Scott Pitman owns permaculture.org.

Yes.

>  > 3) Maybe a combination of 1) and 2)

> I'm somewhat of a natural paranoid so not having any personal
> relationship with the above individuals makes it hard for me to
> expect philanthropy.  I'm probably wrong, but I can't know that now. 

That's fine with me, PI may not want to do that anyway. Scott has a lot of 
credibility though.
I'd suggest setting up a non profit and a trust account (hopefully at the PCU) to own the domain(s) and manage any money the project 
acquires. A non profit (501C3) may be a lot of work and will have to pay taxes until it gets Federal tax-exempt NP status
so creating a trust may be a quick and dirty way to establish project 
ownership of the domain(s). Since time is of the essence I
propose that you register permaculture.info and move it to project ownership when such a legal entity is established and administered by an 
impartial organization, like a trust at a bank or the PCU. I certainly trust to own the domain and would rather it be someone within our group.

>  > 4) You own it and if you/we find a better, more convenient home for
>  > it then transfer it later; like if we form a nonprofit.
>
> My concern with an individual from the project owning the name is that
> if there is a decisive split because of difference of opinion, the
> owner of the domain will pretty much retain authoritative sway in the
> public opinion.  

> Some kind of incorporation (such as nonprofit) would
> be the ideal way to own the name... but that means we are all in the
> same boat till it sinks ;-) 

That would be the best thing for us to do. tax exempt 501c3 non profit

> To follow this route, I think I would
> trust Stephanie to own the name and then transfer it to said formed
> entity in the future.
>
>  > > of that is that what organization could/would hold it for us yet still
>  > > defer to our interests and not impose their own.  Maybe ibiblio?
>  > 
>  > I doubt ibiblio would go for that & I am sure that mut have had
>  > plenty of opportunities.
>
> I guess ibiblio is actually the UNC anyway. 

While they are part of the university and in a cooperative arrangement with the UNC School of Journalism and Mass Communication and the 
School of Library Science, they are a semi-autonomous non profit entity and are located on the UNC campus. They use the UNC broadband, their 
computer room to house their racks of equipment, their backup services and a suite of offices for management and terminals for the staff.


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