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> 1. Re: Myrica Rubra / Bayberry (Scott Smith)
> 2. Re: Myrica Rubra / Bayberry (derry walsh)
> 3. Re: neem oil sources for Canada ? (david.maxwell@dal.ca)
> 4. Two mulberry propagation questions (Richard Moyer)
> 5. Re: mulberry (Ginda Fisher)
> 6. Re: Mulberries (david liezen)
> 7. Pomona time! (Jackie)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:10:24 -0500
> From: Scott Smith <scott@cs.jhu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Myrica Rubra / Bayberry
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> I have tried three times to germinate bayberry seeds and all three times I
> got nothing. Each of the seed batches was from a totally different source.
> One batch I know was fresh because I ate the surrounding berry myself :-)
>
> Maybe someone knows some tricks for germination? I would guess they do not
> need stratification since they are from a tropical climate. I held the
> seeds at about 80F for several months.
>
> Scott
>
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 11:13 AM, "England's Orchard and Nursery"
> <nuttrees@prtcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now!
>> SD0505 Bayberry Seeds, Myrica Gale Fruit Seeds, 90%+ Germination
>> http://r.ebay.com/faZjGt
>>
>> On EBay you can purchase seed of any plant from around the world no matter
>> how difficult to find and some of the most unusual fruit and seed that you
>> will ever encounter happy shopping
>>
>> Cliff
>>
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>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:08:57 -0800
> From: derry walsh <derrywalsh1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Myrica Rubra / Bayberry
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> The Complete Book of Plant Propagation by Clarke and Toogood, 1992, says
> for Myrica sp.:
>
> semi-ripe cuttings taken with a heel during mid- to late summer and
> rooted in a heated propagating case 18?C (65 F).
>
> Seeds sown as soon as ripe and placed in a garden frame. Transfer to
> heated greenhouse in late winter.
>
> Division during early or mid-Spring, replanting the portions immediately
> in their permanent position.
>
> Derry
>
> On 1/14/2013 10:10 AM, Scott Smith wrote:
>> I have tried three times to germinate bayberry seeds and all three
>> times I got nothing. Each of the seed batches was from a totally
>> different source. One batch I know was fresh because I ate the
>> surrounding berry myself :-)
>>
>> Maybe someone knows some tricks for germination? I would guess they
>> do not need stratification since they are from a tropical climate. I
>> held the seeds at about 80F for several months.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:09:14 -0400
> From: david.maxwell@dal.ca
> Subject: Re: [nafex] neem oil sources for Canada ?
> To: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net>, nafex mailing list at
> ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <50F465EA.28402.498C48@david.maxwell.dal.ca>
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> Yes, I thought I had posted the reason, but obviously I didn't. It is dead
> simple. The PMRA
> functions on what might charitably be called the precautionary principle -
> everything is
> presumed to be toxic and harmful until proven safe. And to prove it safe
> you have to submit
> a huge dossier of evidence, including, for example levels of residues on
> mature fruit (at the
> micro-mol level) which must be performed in specialised accredited labs.
> All this is
> enormously expensive, and no manufacturer will go through it unless he
> perceives a market
> sufficient to recoup the cost of getting certification. Neem isn't big
> enough. Surround, which
> is as benign as one could possibly get, (just kaolin clay), is certified in
> Canada only for
> commercial production use, (not household domestic), because the
> manufacturer perceived
> this as his market and did not bother to invest in seeking domestic
> certification. So one
> cannot buy it in Canada unless one has a full-blown Pesticide Applicator
> Certificate, (slog
> through a 300 page manual, and write a multiple choice exam.) But none of
> this is unique to
> Canada - every jurisdiction functions in exactly the same manner, including
> yourselves in the
> States..
>
>> Anyone know why it's not permitted for agricultural use in Canada?
>>
>>
>> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
>> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:40 PM, david.maxwell@dal.ca wrote:
>>
>>> Not so easy. Richters, (and other garden supply places) sell neem
>>> as a leaf shine, in small bottles. Peter needs several liters for
>>> his purposes. But one can order it from the States, and it comes
>>> in with no problem as long as it is not listed as for agricultural
>>> use. (If it is being used for anything else - as a shampoo, herbal
>>> tonic, even powering one's diesel VW - it is outside the purview of
>>> PMRA, and Canada Custome pays it no heed, (except occasionally
>>> looking for GST and/or duties))
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:40:44 -0500
> From: Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Two mulberry propagation questions
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> We have young, seedling mulberry trees on our land (2-5" diameter). Assume
> these are red or red hybrids. I could graft these higher than deer or cows
> reach. Do cleft grafts work? What other types of grafts recommended? T
> or chip? Least care afterward helpful, as spread over 70 acres, about half
> wooded, moderate to steep.
>
> Scionwood on hand is Illinois Everbearing, and a neighbor's tree that is
> quite tasty, similar to IE.
>
> Second, would like to root some Illinois Everbearing, 1 yr old wood.
> Suggestions of timing, hormone or not, crush end or cut at slant, etc?
>
> There is a market here for wineries. About $20 per gallon, from fruit
> shaken onto sheets from trees. For this purpose cultivars that ripen all
> at once better.
>
> Most I've seen at market were in Seoul, Korea. Fresh market, in cups.
>
> This is the Moraceae family. Figs, mulberries, Che. None of these fruits
> last well off the tree fresh, Che longest in my experience. (If only Osage
> Orange fruit were edible!) Ripe mulberries though, can last very long ON
> the tree, even with wet conditions and very ripe fruit, without going
> moldy. Much longer than ripe caneberries in same humid weather.
>
> Richard Moyer
> SW VA
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:49:19 -0500
> From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] mulberry
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> Hi, Lori,
>
> I'm in Wellesley. It's right near the 02482 post office, a little west of
> town hall. If my memory serves, it's on the road leading to the post office
> (a short service road) on the east side of the road.
>
> Ginda
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 9:36 PM, L.A. Rizzo wrote:
>
>> Hi Ginda,
>>
>> I'm in Boston too - Dedham. I'd sure like to see that tree!
>>
>> Lori Rizzo
>> Health Care Quality & Process Improvement
>> Pet Training & Behavior Counseling
>> Rizzo Hollow Heirloom Plants & Unusual Edibles
>> Dedham, MA & Maryville, TN
>> rizzolori1@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
>> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ginda Fisher
>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:08 AM
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio; 'nafex mailing list at ibiblio'
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] mulberry
>>
>> Mulberries grow easily near boston. I live in one of the suburbs. We have a
>> mulberry tree on town land, near the post office. It is pruned to be just
>> high enough to easily walk under it. In season, it is covered with fruit,
>> hanging in easy reach.
>>
>> It also stains the sidewalk and any cars left under it.
>> --
>> Ginda
>>
>> Typed with Swype. Who knows what I intended to say?
>>
>> "L.A. Rizzo" <rizzolori1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Chiranjit,
>>
>> This is quite interesting - I spent my childhood in Rochester, NY,
>> living
>> off of a mulberry tree every summer. All I remember is there were ants
>> all
>> over the tree, and my hands and feet were purple for weeks. I think
>> most
>> people quit growing them because they stain everything in sight.
>>
>> I actually went back to my home street in Rochester in an attempt to
>> collect
>> seed, but the tree was gone.
>>
>> When I buy a place here in Boston, I intend to grow mulberries, too, so
>> am
>> interested to hear more about cultivating these.
>>
>> Lori
>>
>> Lori Rizzo
>> Health Care Quality & Process Improvement
>> Pet Training & Behavior Counseling
>> Rizzo Hollow Heirloom Plants & Unusual Edibles
>> Dedham, MA & Maryville, TN
>> rizzolori1@gmail.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
>> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Chiranjit
>> Parmar
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:54 PM
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] mulberry
>>
>> Due to harvesting and storage problems mulberry could never establish as
>> an
>> commercial orchard fruit in India though it is one of the tastiest
>> things on
>>
>> earth. We have several varieties of white and red or black mulberries
>> in
>> India. So this fruit has either been a fruit of children who could
>> climb
>> the trees, usually on village common lands and also near irrigation
>> wells,
>> and enjoy the fruits. I have done it during my childhood days. Or
>> mulberry
>>
>> has been a fruit of rich landlords having servants to pick fresh fruits
>> in
>> the morning every day and use them. So this fruit has always been a
>> delicacy in India. As the tree is one of the easiest to multiply and
>> grow,
>> so it always finds place at government research orchards and commercial
>> nurseries. I DO NOT think that it has any scope as a commerciual
>> orchard
>> fruit.
>>
>>
>> Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
>> 186/3 Jail Road
>> Mandi HP 175001
>> INDIA
>> 01905-222810; 09418181323
>> www.fruitipedia.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Hector Black
>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:20 AM
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] mulberry
>>
>> We've sold mulberries (Ill. Everbearing) at the local Farmer's Market.
>> Biggest problem for us was they are very tender and survive only minimum
>>
>> handling. Don't keep well even with refrigeration.
>> I was trying pollarding, because it seemed the best way to reach the
>> fruit. Keep to 5 ft. or so height and remove branches after 3,4 years.
>> But
>>
>> the deer had other ideas. Broke all the grafts. The love the foliage.
>> I
>> hope someone can work out a system. Hector Black zone 6 middle tn
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Michele Stanton wrote:
>>
>>> I made a 'blackberry' cobbler with them a few years ago, it was tasty.
>>> Michele in SW Ohio
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
>>> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Martha Davis
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:25 PM
>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Subject: [nafex] mulberry
>>>
>>> I've seen mulberries at the farmers market here in New Mexico sold by
>> the
>>> plastic cup with I think the intent that you eat them immediately. I
>> have
>>> also seen them sold by the basket in a farm store in Oregon. Neither
>> of
>>> them were in large quantity. I have a couple of vague impressions
>> that
>>> may
>>> be relevant. It seems like the flavor may change with the length of
>> time
>>> off
>>> the tree, and they seem like they are more like the short shelf life
>>> rather
>>> than longer shelf life berries. That said I never have enough to even
>>
>>> make
>>> it into the house with them.
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:08:04 +0000
> From: david liezen <chandos49@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberries
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>
> Jim,
> "Parthenogenetically" It is a mouthful, from Greek word for virgin and
> Latin word also dreived from Greek, birth. Had no idea it was possible with
> mulberry. Haven't had the pleasure,
> Dave Liezen
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: jimfruth@charter.net
>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:38:39 -0600
>> Subject: [nafex] Mulberries
>>
>> My fruit was produced parthenogenically. (Is that spelled right). I
>> had two female trees that produced white berries with no seeds. I planted
>> them expecting to get purple fruit that, as I was told, the birds might
>> prefer to my black raspberries. They tasted good, to me, but not for the
>> birds.
>>
>> Jim Fruth
>> Pequot Lakes, MN
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:47:57 -0500
> From: Jackie <jakuehn@verizon.net>
> Subject: [nafex] Pomona time!
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> We're calling for articles, NAFEXers. Send them as son as you can, but
> you've got several weeks to work, too.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Jacquelyn A. Kuehn
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: Mulberry commercial potentials
>> (Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett)
>> 2. Re: Mulberry commercial potentials (Spidra Webster)
>> 3. Hawthorns - best varieties (Steven Covacci)
>> 4. Re: Hawthorns - best varieties (Matt Demmon)
>> 5. Re: Mulberry commercial potentials (mIEKAL aND)
>> 6. Re: Mulberry commercial potentials (Spidra Webster)
>> 7. Mulberry commercial potentials (Jwlehman@aol.com)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:33:29 GMT
>> From: "Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett" <bluestem_farm@juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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>> I grew up with mulberries in the back yard, and although I ate loads of
>> them I've never considered trying to grow them for market because they
>> were always crawling with some sort of tiny insects--springtails,
>> maybe?--and Americans are generally way too finicky to tolerate that. I'd
>> think that if you had a market any variety that you could harvest
>> efficiently would work. Good luck with it.
>> Muffy Barrett
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> , Bass Samaan wrote:
>>> Have anyone considered Mulberry as a marketable fruit?
>>> What varieties have a potential for the fresh market in the
>>> NorthEast?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bass Samaan
>>> Zone 6, PA
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>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/50f04d2286ba34d2234ffst03duc
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:39:12 -0800
>> From: Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CACPFkVKZbBOrTDmW7h7So=DLv7gjanmMeGMTQ2PY56fMBAsE4A@mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> I don't know what the potential is in your region, but my brother started a
>> cottage business selling mulberries at the local farmers market. And that
>> expanded into selling mulberries to top chefs directly as well.
>>
>> http://metromulberries.com/
>>
>> http://www.localharvest.org/metromulberries-M24180
>>
>> <http://www.localharvest.org/metromulberries-M24180>I know Illinois
>> Everbearing is a favorite of his.
>>
>>
>> Megan Lynch
>> http://www.meganlynch.net
>>
>> <http://www.meganlynch.net>South Pasadena, CA
>>
>> Zone 10a
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Bass Samaan <bassgarden@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Growing up in the Mediterranean region, Mulberries were commonly sold by
>>> street fruit vendors in season, both the white and the black varieties.
>>> The
>>> mulberry tree is so adaptable to most regions in the states, especially
>>> Morus Alba, but we still don't see this in any super market, or farm
>>> markets. Recently one of our local farm market asked me if I would know
>>> what is the name of the fruit that their Middle eastern customers refer to
>>> as "Tout" (Arabic, and Persian word for Mulberry). They said several
>>> customer have been asking for it. Asked if I can sell them fresh fruit in
>>> season.
>>> I currently grow 3 varieties, Collier, Greece, and Illinois Everbearing.
>>> Have anyone considered Mulberry as a marketable fruit?
>>> What varieties have a potential for the fresh market in the NorthEast?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bass Samaan
>>> Zone 6, PA
>>> www.Treesofjoy.com
>>> bassgarden@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:29:13 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Steven Covacci <filtertitle@aol.com>
>> Subject: [nafex] Hawthorns - best varieties
>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Message-ID: <8CFBE40B06591F0-13B0-A7B0@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm interested in growing excellent types of hawthorns.
>> According to Ken Fern (Plants for a Future), a European species: Crataegus
>> schraderana is exceptionally delicious. I don't know of a source for it
>> in the US. Any ideas?
>> Natives: I have a seed-propgated 'Homestead' (C. x arnoldiana). C.
>> arnoldiana (including C. mollisa and C. submollis) are considered some of
>> the best; perhaps for size, if not that and flavor. C. flava is supposed
>> to be good, along with C. succulenta.
>> I'm getting a native Crataegus from NY - from Schlabach's Nursery known as
>> 'Heart's Delight', which is supposedly very good.
>> Steve NJ
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:53:34 -0500
>> From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Hawthorns - best varieties
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAJJY6BOaotQw6m+M71GLZ=LJ8VLhULbssT7k+C_sp4LBbbzfNg@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I don't remember the species names, but I noticed that One Green World had
>> several different groups of hawthorns for sale this time around, including
>> Mayhaw from the S. United States, Azarole from Italy, and a hawthorn from
>> China. All claimed to be hardy to z5.
>>
>> -matt
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Steven Covacci <filtertitle@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm interested in growing excellent types of hawthorns.
>>> According to Ken Fern (Plants for a Future), a European species: Crataegus
>>> schraderana is exceptionally delicious. I don't know of a source for it
>>> in
>>> the US. Any ideas?
>>> Natives: I have a seed-propgated 'Homestead' (C. x arnoldiana). C.
>>> arnoldiana (including C. mollisa and C. submollis) are considered some of
>>> the best; perhaps for size, if not that and flavor. C. flava is supposed
>>> to be good, along with C. succulenta.
>>> I'm getting a native Crataegus from NY - from Schlabach's Nursery known as
>>> 'Heart's Delight', which is supposedly very good.
>>> Steve NJ
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:51:03 -0600
>> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAKVWZJc7PC+S78_ggBq5CoAcTZLy5MJy7FCksGLVdceLvRS70A@mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> But how to grow the trees so they are easy to pick? I have a couple
>> Russian Mulberries that I pollarded at about 4 feet and that seems
>> like it might have potential.
>>
>> I've planted out about 20 Illinois Everbearing with the hopes of
>> making wine, but I'm hesitant to plant more until I know if there is
>> an easy way to harvest them and also if the birds will even allow me
>> to harvest anything at all.
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't know what the potential is in your region, but my brother started
>>> a
>>> cottage business selling mulberries at the local farmers market. And that
>>> expanded into selling mulberries to top chefs directly as well.
>>>
>>> http://metromulberries.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.localharvest.org/metromulberries-M24180
>>>
>>> <http://www.localharvest.org/metromulberries-M24180>I know Illinois
>>> Everbearing is a favorite of his.
>>>
>>>
>>> Megan Lynch
>>> http://www.meganlynch.net
>>>
>>> <http://www.meganlynch.net>South Pasadena, CA
>>>
>>> Zone 10a
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Bass Samaan <bassgarden@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Growing up in the Mediterranean region, Mulberries were commonly sold by
>>>> street fruit vendors in season, both the white and the black varieties.
>>>> The
>>>> mulberry tree is so adaptable to most regions in the states, especially
>>>> Morus Alba, but we still don't see this in any super market, or farm
>>>> markets. Recently one of our local farm market asked me if I would know
>>>> what is the name of the fruit that their Middle eastern customers refer
>>>> to
>>>> as "Tout" (Arabic, and Persian word for Mulberry). They said several
>>>> customer have been asking for it. Asked if I can sell them fresh fruit in
>>>> season.
>>>> I currently grow 3 varieties, Collier, Greece, and Illinois Everbearing.
>>>> Have anyone considered Mulberry as a marketable fruit?
>>>> What varieties have a potential for the fresh market in the NorthEast?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bass Samaan
>>>> Zone 6, PA
>>>> www.Treesofjoy.com
>>>> bassgarden@gmail.com
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:55:13 -0800
>> From: Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CACPFkVJEFzhohkh5goU7pSPx+hbVkVHiuXF1T100D8WsWMeAdg@mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> Apparently he grows them as espaliered trees. I don't get along well with
>> my brother so I haven't asked him about it all despite the fact that we
>> both love growing fruit trees.
>>
>>
>> Megan Lynch
>> http://www.meganlynch.net
>>
>> South Pasadena, CA
>> Zone 10a
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But how to grow the trees so they are easy to pick? I have a couple
>>> Russian Mulberries that I pollarded at about 4 feet and that seems
>>> like it might have potential.
>>>
>>> I've planted out about 20 Illinois Everbearing with the hopes of
>>> making wine, but I'm hesitant to plant more until I know if there is
>>> an easy way to harvest them and also if the birds will even allow me
>>> to harvest anything at all.
>>>
>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:45:11 -0500 (EST)
>> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
>> Subject: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Message-ID: <8c29.3e44cb62.3e22d0f7@aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> In a message dated 1/11/2013 4:58:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> qazingulaza@gmail.com writes:
>>
>>> I've planted out about 20 Illinois Everbearing with the hopes of making
>>> wine, but I'm hesitant to plant more until I know if there is an easy way
>>> to
>>> harvest them and also if the birds will even allow me to harvest anything
>>> at all.
>>>
>>
>> The big problem with Illinois Everbearing is the long ripening period with
>> low crop yield at any one time making it difficult to collect large enough
>> quantities for processing. The answer has to be a large number of trees.
>> For
>> one thing large enough to feed all the birds as well as collect fruit.
>> Illinois Everbearing is a fantastic fruit. Better than any pure black I've
>> ever
>> tasted and I've tasted many.
>>
>> We collect fruits from our Black Mulberry trees by spreading bed sheets
>> under the trees then using long poles shake the limbs. Then float out the
>> bugs
>> and use. There will still be a little protein in the cobbler, but after
>> cooking who cares. Mulberry/raspberry cobbler or pie....YUM YUM.
>>
>> Oh, we don't pick off the stems. Also don't leave the sheets under the
>> tree
>> very long as they also collect bird droppings.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
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>> End of nafex Digest, Vol 120, Issue 9
>> *************************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:37:23 -0500
> From: "C. Waite Maclin" <cwaitemaclin@me.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pomona time!
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hi Jackie. I sent an article for the last issue and did not see it. Maybe I
> missed it. Thanks. Waite
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Jackie wrote:
>
>> We're calling for articles, NAFEXers. Send them as son as you can, but
>> you've got several weeks to work, too.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Jacquelyn A. Kuehn
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 12:00 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>> 1. Re: Mulberry commercial potentials
>>> (Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett)
>>> 2. Re: Mulberry commercial potentials (Spidra Webster)
>>> 3. Hawthorns - best varieties (Steven Covacci)
>>> 4. Re: Hawthorns - best varieties (Matt Demmon)
>>> 5. Re: Mulberry commercial potentials (mIEKAL aND)
>>> 6. Re: Mulberry commercial potentials (Spidra Webster)
>>> 7. Mulberry commercial potentials (Jwlehman@aol.com)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:33:29 GMT
>>> From: "Scott Weber and Muffy Barrett" <bluestem_farm@juno.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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>>> I grew up with mulberries in the back yard, and although I ate loads of
>>> them I've never considered trying to grow them for market because they
>>> were always crawling with some sort of tiny insects--springtails,
>>> maybe?--and Americans are generally way too finicky to tolerate that.
>>> I'd think that if you had a market any variety that you could harvest
>>> efficiently would work. Good luck with it.
>>> Muffy Barrett
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>> , Bass Samaan wrote:
>>>> Have anyone considered Mulberry as a marketable fruit?
>>>> What varieties have a potential for the fresh market in the
>>>> NorthEast?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bass Samaan
>>>> Zone 6, PA
>>>> www.Treesofjoy.com
>>>> bassgarden@gmail.com
>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:39:12 -0800
>>> From: Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>>>
>>> I don't know what the potential is in your region, but my brother started
>>> a
>>> cottage business selling mulberries at the local farmers market. And that
>>> expanded into selling mulberries to top chefs directly as well.
>>>
>>> http://metromulberries.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.localharvest.org/metromulberries-M24180
>>>
>>> <http://www.localharvest.org/metromulberries-M24180>I know Illinois
>>> Everbearing is a favorite of his.
>>>
>>>
>>> Megan Lynch
>>> http://www.meganlynch.net
>>>
>>> <http://www.meganlynch.net>South Pasadena, CA
>>>
>>> Zone 10a
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Bass Samaan <bassgarden@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Growing up in the Mediterranean region, Mulberries were commonly sold by
>>>> street fruit vendors in season, both the white and the black varieties.
>>>> The
>>>> mulberry tree is so adaptable to most regions in the states, especially
>>>> Morus Alba, but we still don't see this in any super market, or farm
>>>> markets. Recently one of our local farm market asked me if I would know
>>>> what is the name of the fruit that their Middle eastern customers refer
>>>> to
>>>> as "Tout" (Arabic, and Persian word for Mulberry). They said several
>>>> customer have been asking for it. Asked if I can sell them fresh fruit in
>>>> season.
>>>> I currently grow 3 varieties, Collier, Greece, and Illinois Everbearing.
>>>> Have anyone considered Mulberry as a marketable fruit?
>>>> What varieties have a potential for the fresh market in the NorthEast?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bass Samaan
>>>> Zone 6, PA
>>>> www.Treesofjoy.com
>>>> bassgarden@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:29:13 -0500 (EST)
>>> From: Steven Covacci <filtertitle@aol.com>
>>> Subject: [nafex] Hawthorns - best varieties
>>> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Message-ID: <8CFBE40B06591F0-13B0-A7B0@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm interested in growing excellent types of hawthorns.
>>> According to Ken Fern (Plants for a Future), a European species:
>>> Crataegus schraderana is exceptionally delicious. I don't know of a
>>> source for it in the US. Any ideas?
>>> Natives: I have a seed-propgated 'Homestead' (C. x arnoldiana). C.
>>> arnoldiana (including C. mollisa and C. submollis) are considered some of
>>> the best; perhaps for size, if not that and flavor. C. flava is supposed
>>> to be good, along with C. succulenta.
>>> I'm getting a native Crataegus from NY - from Schlabach's Nursery known
>>> as 'Heart's Delight', which is supposedly very good.
>>> Steve NJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:53:34 -0500
>>> From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Hawthorns - best varieties
>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAJJY6BOaotQw6m+M71GLZ=LJ8VLhULbssT7k+C_sp4LBbbzfNg@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> I don't remember the species names, but I noticed that One Green World had
>>> several different groups of hawthorns for sale this time around, including
>>> Mayhaw from the S. United States, Azarole from Italy, and a hawthorn from
>>> China. All claimed to be hardy to z5.
>>>
>>> -matt
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Steven Covacci <filtertitle@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in growing excellent types of hawthorns.
>>>> According to Ken Fern (Plants for a Future), a European species:
>>>> Crataegus
>>>> schraderana is exceptionally delicious. I don't know of a source for it
>>>> in
>>>> the US. Any ideas?
>>>> Natives: I have a seed-propgated 'Homestead' (C. x arnoldiana). C.
>>>> arnoldiana (including C. mollisa and C. submollis) are considered some of
>>>> the best; perhaps for size, if not that and flavor. C. flava is supposed
>>>> to be good, along with C. succulenta.
>>>> I'm getting a native Crataegus from NY - from Schlabach's Nursery known
>>>> as
>>>> 'Heart's Delight', which is supposedly very good.
>>>> Steve NJ
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:51:03 -0600
>>> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>>> <CAKVWZJc7PC+S78_ggBq5CoAcTZLy5MJy7FCksGLVdceLvRS70A@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> But how to grow the trees so they are easy to pick? I have a couple
>>> Russian Mulberries that I pollarded at about 4 feet and that seems
>>> like it might have potential.
>>>
>>> I've planted out about 20 Illinois Everbearing with the hopes of
>>> making wine, but I'm hesitant to plant more until I know if there is
>>> an easy way to harvest them and also if the birds will even allow me
>>> to harvest anything at all.
>>>
>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I don't know what the potential is in your region, but my brother
>>>> started a
>>>> cottage business selling mulberries at the local farmers market. And that
>>>> expanded into selling mulberries to top chefs directly as well.
>>>>
>>>> http://metromulberries.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.localharvest.org/metromulberries-M24180
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.localharvest.org/metromulberries-M24180>I know Illinois
>>>> Everbearing is a favorite of his.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Megan Lynch
>>>> http://www.meganlynch.net
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.meganlynch.net>South Pasadena, CA
>>>>
>>>> Zone 10a
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Bass Samaan <bassgarden@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Growing up in the Mediterranean region, Mulberries were commonly sold by
>>>>> street fruit vendors in season, both the white and the black varieties.
>>>>> The
>>>>> mulberry tree is so adaptable to most regions in the states, especially
>>>>> Morus Alba, but we still don't see this in any super market, or farm
>>>>> markets. Recently one of our local farm market asked me if I would know
>>>>> what is the name of the fruit that their Middle eastern customers refer
>>>>> to
>>>>> as "Tout" (Arabic, and Persian word for Mulberry). They said several
>>>>> customer have been asking for it. Asked if I can sell them fresh fruit
>>>>> in
>>>>> season.
>>>>> I currently grow 3 varieties, Collier, Greece, and Illinois Everbearing.
>>>>> Have anyone considered Mulberry as a marketable fruit?
>>>>> What varieties have a potential for the fresh market in the NorthEast?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bass Samaan
>>>>> Zone 6, PA
>>>>> www.Treesofjoy.com
>>>>> bassgarden@gmail.com
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:55:13 -0800
>>> From: Spidra Webster <spidra@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
>>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>>> Apparently he grows them as espaliered trees. I don't get along well with
>>> my brother so I haven't asked him about it all despite the fact that we
>>> both love growing fruit trees.
>>>
>>>
>>> Megan Lynch
>>> http://www.meganlynch.net
>>>
>>> South Pasadena, CA
>>> Zone 10a
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But how to grow the trees so they are easy to pick? I have a couple
>>>> Russian Mulberries that I pollarded at about 4 feet and that seems
>>>> like it might have potential.
>>>>
>>>> I've planted out about 20 Illinois Everbearing with the hopes of
>>>> making wine, but I'm hesitant to plant more until I know if there is
>>>> an easy way to harvest them and also if the birds will even allow me
>>>> to harvest anything at all.
>>>>
>>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:45:11 -0500 (EST)
>>> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
>>> Subject: [nafex] Mulberry commercial potentials
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>>> In a message dated 1/11/2013 4:58:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> qazingulaza@gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>> I've planted out about 20 Illinois Everbearing with the hopes of making
>>>> wine, but I'm hesitant to plant more until I know if there is an easy
>>>> way to
>>>> harvest them and also if the birds will even allow me to harvest
>>>> anything
>>>> at all.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The big problem with Illinois Everbearing is the long ripening period
>>> with
>>> low crop yield at any one time making it difficult to collect large
>>> enough
>>> quantities for processing. The answer has to be a large number of trees.
>>> For
>>> one thing large enough to feed all the birds as well as collect fruit.
>>> Illinois Everbearing is a fantastic fruit. Better than any pure black
>>> I've ever
>>> tasted and I've tasted many.
>>>
>>> We collect fruits from our Black Mulberry trees by spreading bed sheets
>>> under the trees then using long poles shake the limbs. Then float out the
>>> bugs
>>> and use. There will still be a little protein in the cobbler, but after
>>> cooking who cares. Mulberry/raspberry cobbler or pie....YUM YUM.
>>>
>>> Oh, we don't pick off the stems. Also don't leave the sheets under the
>>> tree
>>> very long as they also collect bird droppings.
>>>
>>> Jerry
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