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[Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>]

I have to weigh in on this one!  I've loved reading all the stuff everyone 
has to say.... but I hope things calm down a bit and we can agree to disagree 
respectfully because I would hate to have any more of you leave this list.

I have to say that both sides have very valid points.  

Pro grafting:  easiest way to ensure that you aren't spending a lot of time 
looking after junk trees and sure makes marketing easier for large producers. 
 I have several hundred new and old varieties in my orchard both purchased 
and self grafted on both dwarf (for earlier fruiting) and standard (my 
preference: deer resistant!).  I like the idea of saving old varieties in 
part because they are a wealth of genetics for the seedling side of my fruit 
growing hobby and partly because they have stood the test of time and my area 
is famous for its weather based testing!

Pro seedlings: I can't believe that a plant of any kind on its own roots will 
not do better than one that is grafted.  It only makes sense.  Not to 
mention, seedlings are fun and exciting: can't wait to see what I will get... 
when they finally fruit!  I have seedling apples, pears, plums and apricots; 
unfortunately, they put out their first blossoms last year when I was 
transplanting them so I had to remove them.  Got my fingers crossed for this 
year though!  

And having come from a fruit growing area, I've seen/tasted the fruit from 
seedlings fruiting along roadsides so I have a good idea of what will result 
from an eating apple core tossed out a window.  I have yet to see one that 
wasn't edible, maybe 1 in 10,000 is the next Ambrosia, but that doesn't mean 
that only 1 in 10,000 is good to eat.  My in-laws have a tree, "Rojen", that 
is working its way through the apple release process in BC at the moment.  It 
grew out of their compost pile, my guess from the taste/shape/look of it that 
they have a Golden Delicious seedling.  It was the only one that grew and it 
is great.  Its much more uniform and keeps better than Golden Delicious.


 
Sarah
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No one is right or wrong on the issue. I live in a US city and need the fruit 
that is grown in mass. Grafted,sprayed,selected because of the need to get to 
market intact. Industrial fruit as I call it. And i I love the seedling fruit 
of my wife,s country Brazil. Avacado the size of a baby's head. Jabuticaba 
from my mother-in-laws back yard. Many other fruits with names i cant 
pronounce or remember. Unforgettable markets chocked full of everything under 
the sun. Today in our Minneapolis yard I have Peach,Apricot,Sweet 
Cherry,Plums,Apples Grapes. Blueberries, Raspberries,Blackberries,Sour 
Cherry,Hardy Kiwi, and Strawberries. All grafted trees, some by me. Im big 
into grafting and have been since I was a 15yr old science fair winner in 
1959. And I appreciate those incredible seedling fruit from where ever. In 
this thread I appreciate the topic as it makes me rethink what Im doing.

--- On Wed, 11/14/12, Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Seedling trees
To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 11:26 AM

I have to weigh in on this one!  I've loved reading all the stuff everyone 
has to say.... but I hope things calm down a bit and we can agree to disagree 
respectfully because I would hate to have any more of you leave this list.

I have to say that both sides have very valid points.  

Pro grafting:  easiest way to ensure that you aren't spending a lot of time 
looking after junk trees and sure makes marketing easier for large producers. 
 I have several hundred new and old varieties in my orchard both purchased 
and self grafted on both dwarf (for earlier fruiting) and standard (my 
preference: deer resistant!).  I like the idea of saving old varieties in 
part because they are a wealth of genetics for the seedling side of my fruit 
growing hobby and partly because they have stood the test of time and my area 
is famous for its weather based testing!

Pro seedlings: I can't believe that a plant of any kind on its own roots will 
not do better than one that is grafted.  It only makes sense.  Not to 
mention, seedlings are fun and exciting: can't wait to see what I will get... 
when they finally fruit!  I have seedling apples, pears, plums and apricots; 
unfortunately, they put out their first blossoms last year when I was 
transplanting them so I had to remove them.  Got my fingers crossed for this 
year though!  

And having come from a fruit growing area, I've seen/tasted the fruit from 
seedlings fruiting along roadsides so I have a good idea of what will result 
from an eating apple core tossed out a window.  I have yet to see one that 
wasn't edible, maybe 1 in 10,000 is the next Ambrosia, but that doesn't mean 
that only 1 in 10,000 is good to eat.  My in-laws have a tree, "Rojen", that 
is working its way through the apple release process in BC at the moment.  It 
grew out of their compost pile, my guess from the taste/shape/look of it that 
they have a Golden Delicious seedling.  It was the only one that grew and it 
is great.  Its much more uniform and keeps better than Golden Delicious.


 
Sarah
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