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["Stephen Sadler" <Docshiva@Docshiva.org>]

All chemical reactions are dependent on the electromagnetic properties of
atoms; even simple adherence, as with glue, is dependent on electromagnetic
action on the subatomic level (using em here to describe all three related
forces, to shamelessly oversimplify).  
That doesn't mean that you can use electricity or magnetism in subtle ways
to undo some reactions - like those of venom or fungi - while leaving other
important processes undamaged.  Some electrical fields will affect some
things in some ways.  Neither cells nor the molecules that make up the cells
can necessarily hold any additional charge - at least not and maintain
integrity - nor be happy transmitting charges.  I just can't see that a
constant mild state of electrocution might make plants happier or more
resistant.  
As far as charge protecting against radiation: ionizing radiation is
particles/waves that strike atoms with enough energy to displace electrons.
Cells are made of molecules that are made of atoms that contain electrons.
Ionizing radiation damages cells by displacing subatomic electrons from
atoms or molecular arrangements of atoms, causing their charge to be altered
(losing negatively charged electrons).  This disturbs the structure of the
atoms, molecules, cells, on up to the organism itself. Maybe your radiation
lab friend was saying that some molecules or arrangement of molecules are
more resistant to radiation than others because their electrons are more
resistant to displacement.  That's true - it's easier to knock electrons out
of some electron shells than others.
It is possible to decrease the susceptibility of an organism to ionizing
radiation; this will affect biochemical properties throughout, and make the
organism more susceptible to cancer or similar cellular changes.    
Oh, and back to the beginning; you're describing the surfactant nature of
simple detergents, not enzymes.  Enzymes are proteins that have specific
actions to do specific things; like unlock the bonds within a chemical
structure.  In the case of detergents with added enzymes, this can cause
protein-based stains to become more soluble, or break the bond between
staining agents and the fiber they're adhering to. Detergents are good at
grease stains, enzymes are good at blood stains, for example.   
I wouldn't say cells are little batteries, but I can see why someone would.
They do have what's called a resting membrane potential, but there's not a
strong constant flow from one area to another with resultant oxidation as
the battery wears down.  Human bodies are electrochemical; we use positively
and negatively charged ions to create currents that operate things like
muscles and nerves.  I suppose there are similarities to batteries, but it's
so much more complex.  Other organisms also use ions to accomplish their
processes.
And I don't want to write too much on how humans are like batteries, less
the machines find out and use us as a battery matrix while giving us an
illusory alternate existence.

~ Stephen
Trying to electrically activate his biochem brain before his morning coffee

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kieran &/or Donna
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:59 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] venom

You know how enzymatic detergents are supposed to work?  One end sticks to 
oil, the other to water?  The physiology prof said that the proteolytic 
enzymes in snake venom had opposite charges on opposite ends to do their 
dirty work.  But let me throw in a possible alternative explanation.  We own

a couple of "quack" devices that work by putting a static charge on the 
body.  they are typically used for treating infection, whether it be 
parasites, bacteria or viruses.  Besides whatever chemical approaches these 
organisms use to attack their host, they have to actually do some electrical

docking to cells.  The people who designed these two devices were Bob Beck 
and Hulda Clark.  They made their discoveries completely separately via two 
totally different routes.  Bob Beck read an article about how a wire lying 
across a petri dish inhibited growth of the colonies below it.  Hulda Clark 
did radionics and her son decided to design and build a small portable 
battery operated device for her.  These two people both published the plans 
for their devices so that no one would ever be able to patent them and thus 
deny them to the public.  The FDA has shut down many a small business that 
made and sold these devices.  My Hulda Clark "Zapper" was locally made by an

amateur and sold to me.  Our "Bioelectrifier" is a Bob Beck device just like

the "Plant Growth Stimulator" that my DC friend ordered.  It's hard for the 
FDA to do much about people who buy a "Plant Growth Stimulator" and 
voluntarily attach it to their own wrist or ankle.  Oh, I guess you could 
use one to grow fruit, so this is on topic after all.
    But back to electricity and molecules, a friend who worked in a 
radiation lab in the 1960's said that the strongest protectant from 
radiation was a strong electric charge on the cells.  I suspect that such a 
charge could keep away charged particles and prevent free radical damage. 
In fact, there is a strong ionic difference between the inside and the 
outside of cells, which makes a cell a battery.  If snake venom electrically

attaches to human cells, perhaps fungus, bacteria and bugs also do something

similar to plant cells.  Maybe our most susceptible plants just need some 
kind of electrical protection from the critters.    Donna 

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